[Lothar5150]

Originally Posted by Kobuchi

I incorrectly named the survey sponsors ABC and CNN, when in fact we're both reading from the same USA Today and CNN sponsored Gallop poll.

Confirm my link (USATODAY.COM)

Now let's clear this up. I'd said earlier that, according to this poll, 61% of Iraqis wanted US forces to leave immediately. That number comes from question G8:
All we can draw from this 13% is that they feel just answering; "leave immediately" isn't enough.

So according to Gallup we had a majority wanting US/British forces to leave immediately (within a few months), and we can guess many of the others wanted US/British forces to have left some time after that.

OK?

Now what?

Again, I only mentioned the polls because you sited them. I have a wealth of firsthand experience. In fact, this experience makes my opinion an expert opinion. Honestly, Kobuchi you are arguing with a person who has been there, and had tea with local Sheiks, Former/Current Iraqi Generals, doctors, small merchants and simple farmers. I personally don’t need the polls because I have had in depth discussions with Iraqis regarding our occupation.

Originally Posted by Kobuchi

Occupation by foreign superpower or torture, murder, and rape? You should write polls.

I personally know the Iraqis are honestly skeptical that they will get to vote. Their skeptical not because of the US but because they lived under tyranny for so long. Once the actually get to vote in January the Iraqi perception of their world will change. At that point they will take full ownership of their country as citizens.

Kabuchi, I have two questions; one do you fundamentally believe in democracy and Two what will you say after the elections in January?

Originally Posted by Kobuchi

Never mind that paragraph, read this one. This first paragraph describes the background.

I repeat my position: the elections were not rigged. There was no electoral fraud.

Then what is the point you are trying to make about our President. Clearly, his election was legitimate by your own admission.