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Originally Posted by Jackyl

pdf27 sorry for ruffling your feathers, But can you show me some pics of this well designed system that your refering to? I would like to see something that is superior to what I have built. I'm not saying that not such a thing exists but rather to see with my own eyes what you are talking about.

Best place to look is the general gallery on this site, and read through the comments in the threads. There will be a few particularly good ones out there, but I don't have the chance to sort through them and highlight examples.

Originally Posted by Jackyl

I've seen many seires systems and well that was the basis of my build, it's not another thumb, sure it failed but failed in what term? I tell you this it didn't fail in the fact that it is the most complex water setup that I have done yet. Nor, did it fail in testing out somethings that I have been wanting to do. But it did fail in disipating the heat that all the componets that I was trying to cool generated. So I dismantled the unit, sold the vapochill and the chassis and the blocks and kept the pump and res and manifold and the documentation that I had generated.

That's good. Maybe I overreacted to your early posts (if so, sorry for that) - I've been having a fairly dire week and that may have coloured how I read your posts.

Originally Posted by Jackyl

That is my big beef peopl always want to keep doing things that ways that work rather than inovate or invent knew ways that are generally more complex but have the same goal to make the way that works more simplistic than it currently is.

Partly, many things have already been tried and people know the results - you may or may not actually be innovating and not know it. Partly, with complex systems unless you have the sort of test equipment BillA has lying around you won't be able to work out where the problem is in a system.

Originally Posted by Jackyl

And because of this I come off like not wanting any help or barking up the wrong tree or saying that people don't know what they are talking about. While infact this is not my intent, I'm asking for help, input, peoples personal evalutaions on what they have done and what they recommend. And not read the stickies or read this or read that. Actual helpfull material.

Fair enough - that's a good way of going about it. You might get more help/a friendlier reception in future if you're a little more careful in how you phrase it however - just about everyone thought you were saying something you didn't intend to say.

Originally Posted by Jackyl

So with that said. I have a few questions.
First off: My pump is a Pondmaster 5 now as for GPM and Ft/Head? From what I have read about pumps, The pumps that are used for different applications have different ratings per application. So I'm going to assume that the Ft/Head is the term used to relate to how much flow the pump can push for a certain lenth or run of tube.

OK, by "Pondmaster 5" do you mean Model 5 Magnetic drive, code number 02515? If so, it seems to have pretty similar specifications in the flow regime you're likely to be running in to the Danner Mag 3, one of the more popular watercooling pumps. This is going by Phaestus' pump comparison article and the spec sheet you linked to, but should be reasonably accurate. (Pondmaster seem to be a trade name for Danner anyway).
All the water blocks, tubing, radiator and the like in your system will have some resistance to flow. This will take the form of a pressure drop between entry and exit, and is measured in terms of what vertical height of water will give the same pressure difference between the top and bottom of the column. In the case of what I think is your pump, the pressure difference it can sustain seems to be 10'6", or a bit over 3m.
What you usually have is a line on the pressure/flow rate graph showing the pressure/head characteristics for various pumps, and another line showing the same characteristics for your loop (i.e. due to tubing, blocks and the like). The point they meet at will be the operating characteristic for the pump, and using this you will be able to predict the most suitable pump for your system in terms of water pushed versus heat dumped into the system by the pump. Cathar has done a very good thread on that around here, with some very useful graphs.

Originally Posted by Jackyl

Now jamesavery22, you said that the TT water block and the TT radiators are poor choices? Why is this? What would you recommend over the TT rad's a heatercore? or a permacool radiator with turbulator technolgy "oil cooler"?

Not sure about the radiator (distinct lack of radiator testing about), but the waterblock doesn't look promising. Internally it is basically a "maze" style waterblock (i.e. water flows in, around the block through a channel and out again). What ProCooling test data there is (for the DD Maze 4) shows it to be beaten by several degrees by many more modern blocks, and my gut feeling (not backed up by any test data) is that the Maze 4 will have a higher performance than this ThermalTake block.
Link to the comparative block testing here: http://www.procooling.com/html/pro_testing.php
If you want the rationale behind my thinking the maze blocks all behave similarly, go to Overclockers Australia and read Cathar's WhiteWater development thread (there's a link in one of the stickies). It's something like 45 pages long but quite entertaining and explains why the newer "impingement" blocks perform so much better very well indeed

Originally Posted by Jackyl

As now I'm not sure that series is the key, because when it really comes down to it what is the bottome line, I keep reading it in every post, Every thread, Every review. It's heat dissipation. So as long as you can dissipate the heat then is the system flawed? I would think not but rather someone might come along that can disipate the same heat but with less hardware. ahh, isn't that what this whole thing is about simplicity and acheiving the same goal, Heat disipation in the most simplistic but yeat efficient way?

Series isn't the key - for instance if you had three replica loops, each dedicated to cooling either the CPU, GPU or Northbridge that would perform better than a single one of those loops cooling all three. The thing is that the difference isn't all that great and to do this you've trebled your cost and space requirements. If you start compromising, in most cases the series loop will win, as the performance differences are minor and the cost differences quite major in comparison.