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ricecrispi · 08-20-2005, 06:30 PM

Well let me ramble on since you deem it necessary to take it out on me when your BF2 crashes....

Well some guys like to buy OEM computer setups that sometimes don't offer BIOS options like thermal protection. Some do and it is getting more common but i think 3rd-4th tier Mobo manufacturers may still leave it off.
That type of software with themal shutoff is usually Bios related, no option in bios means your out of luck.Hey I've heard morons not even have it on and fry there CPU's and mobos.....That is why pump shutoff is good for the people with lower computer IQ. I can say I don't need pump shut off but it's still nice to know it's there and computers have another failsafe.

Why would I want to WC a HTPC....
Well if you have a vid card, HDTV card, 3 MCE cards, a Audigy2 sound card, 3 hard drives recording two shows at once or record a show and surf online that HTPC does get hot. I can tell you the AMD 64 mobile at 1.4 Volts still doesn't like all that hot ambient air around it and a hot PSU next to it and it records shows 4-5 hours straight sometimes and is on all day. It's like I said, if i spent @$2000 for a HTPC why underclock it. That helps alleviate the problem but the problem is still there and my CPU is slower when rendering video that is all CPU driven. I'm losing up to 30 mins. Plus, when i do record shows i might doing something else other then watch TV so i can hear the HTPC. When I am watch my record movies or favorite shows the neighbors can hear me and the HTPC reminds me why i spent so much money and why it's worth all the frustration. My HTPC is about making no compromises. Silent, earns it's value, powerful, ease of use, and has a cool factor.

The hard drives i've isolated in solid alum cooling enclosures and rubber mounted on grommets and standoffs on what Marci used for mobo isolation. Took me an additional $80 just for the parts on the HD's and countless hours working it out. I gone out of way over the top to silence the HD's. my new rig will have HD's in HD enclosures and i'm adding zalman heatpipe cooler.

Finally #1 if a MTBF value is based some how related with a machine running at a RPM for a certain amount of time before a pump fails, then having the pump run at a lower rpm might increase it's life. Lowering Rpm you can reduce the # of rotations for that time frame. That can reduce friction over amount of time, heat from friction, wear on materials, and possibily several other factors I don't know because i don't calculate that stuff. MTBF are very complex so I don't know what variables they use in calculating it.

Just imagine run a car at an average 6000 rpm for 2 years vs 2000-3000 rpm in the same time frame in the same control conditions. The car doing the 6000 rpm is more likely to have more wear not just in the engine but the entire car itself. If i have to explain that theory I'm wasting my time.

I'm sorry Jaydee but not everyone is smart like you and will put a turbo in a dying engine or go out an WC PIII and T-birds. I don't know why they do it but in their minds it make sense. At least I know you are smart enough to lay off R-type stickers and loud exhaust on a 1.6L sohc D series. Turboing a Honda like a B18C5 is taking it out of it's NA tuned setup. Why do that when you can build a better tubo setup on a Nissan, Toyota, or Diamond Star? Sounds retarded to me.

08-20-2005, 06:30 PM	#39
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Well let me ramble on since you deem it necessary to take it out on me when your BF2 crashes.... Well some guys like to buy OEM computer setups that sometimes don't offer BIOS options like thermal protection. Some do and it is getting more common but i think 3rd-4th tier Mobo manufacturers may still leave it off. That type of software with themal shutoff is usually Bios related, no option in bios means your out of luck.Hey I've heard morons not even have it on and fry there CPU's and mobos.....That is why pump shutoff is good for the people with lower computer IQ. I can say I don't need pump shut off but it's still nice to know it's there and computers have another failsafe. Why would I want to WC a HTPC.... Well if you have a vid card, HDTV card, 3 MCE cards, a Audigy2 sound card, 3 hard drives recording two shows at once or record a show and surf online that HTPC does get hot. I can tell you the AMD 64 mobile at 1.4 Volts still doesn't like all that hot ambient air around it and a hot PSU next to it and it records shows 4-5 hours straight sometimes and is on all day. It's like I said, if i spent @$2000 for a HTPC why underclock it. That helps alleviate the problem but the problem is still there and my CPU is slower when rendering video that is all CPU driven. I'm losing up to 30 mins. Plus, when i do record shows i might doing something else other then watch TV so i can hear the HTPC. When I am watch my record movies or favorite shows the neighbors can hear me and the HTPC reminds me why i spent so much money and why it's worth all the frustration. My HTPC is about making no compromises. Silent, earns it's value, powerful, ease of use, and has a cool factor. The hard drives i've isolated in solid alum cooling enclosures and rubber mounted on grommets and standoffs on what Marci used for mobo isolation. Took me an additional $80 just for the parts on the HD's and countless hours working it out. I gone out of way over the top to silence the HD's. my new rig will have HD's in HD enclosures and i'm adding zalman heatpipe cooler. Finally #1 if a MTBF value is based some how related with a machine running at a RPM for a certain amount of time before a pump fails, then having the pump run at a lower rpm might increase it's life. Lowering Rpm you can reduce the # of rotations for that time frame. That can reduce friction over amount of time, heat from friction, wear on materials, and possibily several other factors I don't know because i don't calculate that stuff. MTBF are very complex so I don't know what variables they use in calculating it. Just imagine run a car at an average 6000 rpm for 2 years vs 2000-3000 rpm in the same time frame in the same control conditions. The car doing the 6000 rpm is more likely to have more wear not just in the engine but the entire car itself. If i have to explain that theory I'm wasting my time. I'm sorry Jaydee but not everyone is smart like you and will put a turbo in a dying engine or go out an WC PIII and T-birds. I don't know why they do it but in their minds it make sense. At least I know you are smart enough to lay off R-type stickers and loud exhaust on a 1.6L sohc D series. Turboing a Honda like a B18C5 is taking it out of it's NA tuned setup. Why do that when you can build a better tubo setup on a Nissan, Toyota, or Diamond Star? Sounds retarded to me.