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ricecrispi · 09-07-2005, 07:13 PM

I read Cathar's remarks about JoeC. Cathar is right about the intergrity issue. I mean there is a reason why they perform double blind experiments... Sometimes people bend information or slightly lean to a side to prove theories. Even subconsciously. It gets only worse when the variable $ gets added to the equation.

Anyways, I went to look at some of Joe's reviews.
The storm APEX kit has performance equal or even lower to astek micro extreme, sl-120, and his own thermosetup. I mean the Sl-120 heatpipe beats the Storm Apex kit hands down and across the board. The APEX kit got .15c/w in the P4 testbed but on a die sim gets .08-.1c/w. JoeC wrote "This is not exactly comparable to the P4 testing I've done but it's reasonably close, so P4 performance is outstanding." I think 7 C degrees is a big difference......

Joe's first article 1246 he calculates .14-.15c/w on the testbed. Running of the A64 case setup .19 to a lower .17c/w. A big SURPRISE, off a die sim he gets .22 c/w.

Article 1248 for the his own single tubed Thermosyphoon test he calulates a .12 c/w on the testbed and gets .18-.19 c/w in running setup. He claimed his small die simulator is out of service and doesn't post numbers..... Wondering why he didn't?

I think 7C is a big difference from Storm APEX kit underperform 7C and his 5C overperforming thermosyphoon. Combine the two and you get a huge margin.

09-07-2005, 07:13 PM	#103
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	I read Cathar's remarks about JoeC. Cathar is right about the intergrity issue. I mean there is a reason why they perform double blind experiments... Sometimes people bend information or slightly lean to a side to prove theories. Even subconsciously. It gets only worse when the variable $ gets added to the equation. Anyways, I went to look at some of Joe's reviews. The storm APEX kit has performance equal or even lower to astek micro extreme, sl-120, and his own thermosetup. I mean the Sl-120 heatpipe beats the Storm Apex kit hands down and across the board. The APEX kit got .15c/w in the P4 testbed but on a die sim gets .08-.1c/w. JoeC wrote "This is not exactly comparable to the P4 testing I've done but it's reasonably close, so P4 performance is outstanding." I think 7 C degrees is a big difference...... Joe's first article 1246 he calculates .14-.15c/w on the testbed. Running of the A64 case setup .19 to a lower .17c/w. A big SURPRISE, off a die sim he gets .22 c/w. Article 1248 for the his own single tubed Thermosyphoon test he calulates a .12 c/w on the testbed and gets .18-.19 c/w in running setup. He claimed his small die simulator is out of service and doesn't post numbers..... Wondering why he didn't? I think 7C is a big difference from Storm APEX kit underperform 7C and his 5C overperforming thermosyphoon. Combine the two and you get a huge margin.