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Originally Posted by Lothar5150

Bah, Bruce why do you think that Gabe has not released the white paper on radiator performance? Gabe told me himself that the CoolRad-12T outperformed all of the dual core radiators tested, including the BIX. Certainly his reluctance to release the data and or the white paper suggests that the CoolRad-12T may have preformed almost as well as his radiator. The reality is that these radiators are not cheap knock offs.

Why do I think that Gabe has not released the white paper on radiator performance? How the hell do I know, I have no clue what white paper you're talking about... Besides haven't spoken to Gabe in a very long time... and I also don't know what Gabe has to do with any of this stuff... so I really don't understand why it's important for us what Gabe said or did right now... It's Bill who is said to make vague references giving the impression that single-pass Bi radis would be underperforming... I 'm yet too see any test results supporting this claim - which BTW is the opposite of what he commented regarding single-pass Pro3 radiator before, as can be seen here -

BTW what are you saying Erick, that CoolRad-12T is not a BIX rev.1 clone?

and please keep the marketing crap to yourself, out of this thread

Bruce let be straight here...Black Ice Radiators are made in the Philippines not in the USA. Second mass production most any type of radiator, for any industry comes from sources outside the USA. It's a labor intensive process which means production goes were labor cost is low. Thus all US based manufacturers in the auto industry and beyond manufacture in plants outside the US or subcontract outside the US.

It's funny that you're telling me to be straight here... You are stating things that we all know here... also don't forget the fact that HWlabs is the first company that made radiators specifically for PC liquid cooling, before even anyone was seeing this hobby as a market at all...

It was not me, who posted comments about preventing the Chinese invasion of the US market and what not, and yet designed a radiator for the Chinese...

Finally let’s address the issue of bias. Bill is the CTO because I need wisdom, experience, integrity and accurate data which can be independently verified.

guess you needed credibility, and BillA needed a job

Erick don't try to BS me... we know each other for how long now?

If you ever need to question the accuracy of Bill's data then you can run the same test using the same equipment under the same conditions. In short Bill's testing is scientific.

Questioning the accuracy of Bill's data?
What data are you exactly talking about? There is no data regarding the single-pass BI radiator from BillA or not that I have seen...

When pH received the single-pass Pro3 BillA was talking highly about it...

and when Scott raised this question:

Nikhsub1: That thing is beautiful! Now I got to ask, how much of a difference is the single pass going to provide over a dual pass? Now I'm getting itchy."

this was his answer:

BillA: aw crap, I did not pay attention to your words
yes, I have that data too

he stated that he had the data but that's all... we never saw any data...

so what data are you exactly talking about?
he didn't post any data to support his positive comments, and didn't post any data to support his vague references regarding the single-pass Bi radiators either...

all I know is that he made comments regarding the single-pass Pro3 as "pretty clear what it is, a BIP 3 single pass, lots of capacity there !, "I would give Willie credit for his rads, they are in fact 'made for computer cooling' " etc. Link to the thread here

and now he makes vague references to these new line of single-pass BI rads (which BTW are not new at all to us Pro/Coolers), giving the impression that the performance of this line would be underwhelming... and yeah BillA is really good at word play, you gotta give him that...

So why all the flip-flopping now eh?

and oh yeah according to Bill I'm pointing out the facts because I'm dishonest and / or I'm a money chaser... yet i don't sell these single-pass radiators... i'm not a HWlabs forum hitman either... so gimme a f*cking break...

and if you agree with him on this Erick, F*ck you too...

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