Pre-rant: None of this is specifically directed at you Jaydee (ie i dont think any of this is your fault) so dont take it that way
If i use 'your', its just because its easier in the context, just meaning 'USA'.
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Originally Posted by jaydee
USA certainly has it's issues. Not only globally but locally as well. Still however any entity that attacks innocent civilians to push their cause is chicken shit and any people that laugh at such a thing are beyond my capability to put into words. Laughing at the deaths of 3000 humans is just not moral or ethical. Shouldn't matter were they live or what they believe.
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Agreed, BUT - what gives America the 'world police' rights? Heres a nice statistic for you -
"In a single day, U.S. cluster-munition attacks in Hilla on March 31 killed at least 33 civilians and injured 109. A hospital director in the southern Iraqi city told Human Rights Watch that cluster munitions caused 90 percent of the civilian injuries that his hospital treated during the war. Human Rights Watch obtained hospital records from Hilla, Najaf and Nasariya indicating 2,279 civilian casualties in March and April, including 678 dead and 1,601 injured."
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/12/12/iraq6582.htm
"A more conservative figure comes from Iraqbodycount.net, a British Web site that compiles media reports on Iraqi civilian deaths. Based on such reporting, the site says there have been a minimum of 12,778 civilian deaths in Iraq and a maximum of 14,820."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep21.html
12,000 civilian deaths Jaydee. TWELVE THOUSAND.
Kinda makes the world trade centre look pretty average in comparison, yeah? Makes a terrorist attack look almost justified, doesnt it? How is the US govt/army any different to terrorists, when the end result is worse than what the terrorists did?! In your own words, its 'chicken shit'. No two ways about it.
Then, you add in the damage done to MANY buildings, farmland, homes; the general occupication would destroy many things, along with trade (touched on in the other delphi thread). And thats just the gulf war man, what about korea? vietnam? the cold war? all the other conflicts? Id like to know specifically how many innocents the US has killed since WW2.... To be honest, im disgusted with the rest of the world (specifically the UK) for backing it as well. There must be some mighty fine money passing hands somewhere, and ill bet its stained by crude.
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Originally Posted by jaydee
I am not going to argue with that. Keep in mind however that the USA has 290 million people scattered across a huge continent. That is 290 million people that have various religions and beliefs and races. For the most part we don't get along with each other and spend most of our time just trying not to kill each other.
I live in a area that has a lot of white supremacists. They wish death to pretty much everyone that is not white no matter if they are a US citizen or not. You have cites like LA that have double the population of your entire country that have large populations of people from other countries like Mexico, Japan, Vietnam, China and so on. It is hard enough to just get people to get along from the diversity of the population let alone worry about foreign affairs.
The good part is for the most part the majority of the country is good people that can get along. There is a fair portion though that refuse to get along and many that are pig headed and stuck in their ways.
The US is a lot more complex country than many think it is. Hell I didn't understand it much myself until I started traveling the US. After 8 years of traveling and covering most of the country I am pretty amazed the USA is as strong as it is. It is really hard to deal with your own state let alone the country let alone the world.
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I dont pretend to understand all of the dynamics of the US, but one thing is clear to the rest of the world. Stop trying to clean up the rest of the world when theres just as much shit in your backyard that needs tending to. Drop 5% of the military budget, and I wonder how many people would be taken off the streets, I wonder how many people would be given health care so they can actually become functioning parts of society.
Not doing anything about these people is just passive genocide, in my opinion, and to have the GAUL to occupy other countries because 'what they're doing is wrong' when theres so much ****ing shit in their own country is just laughably hypocritical.
How does this relate to the thread topic? Censorship, Media and Statistics. If your average American thinks that their boys in uniform are all doing the right thing over there, but are unaware they they are killing
many more innocents than terrorism does, but yet they cannot stand up against their govt and can be sued/questioned/investigated/whatever pretty much through the patriot act (that was a good act/bill to pass...) for insinuating anything against their govt, how is that so far removed from dictatorship?
'he said something against saddamn, cut off his head',
'he said something against bush - investigate him and his family, if you find anything, 'deal with him' or make him a media scapegoat...'
Seems that people are getting more and more afraid to speak their mind, and its sad. Censor everything, and eventually noone knows whats bullshit and whats not any more...
edited profusely for ease of reading