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Originally Posted by BillA
Scott
please stop whipping yourself with test data, for now drop it unles you are seeking the best testing wb
look only at the CPU results (thoughts about core and edges fly out the window)
Lee has data as does Swiftech and there are net 'reports' springing up -> but it is NOT the dog described by Lee's bench data ??
to me this a problem in logic, which is moot if CPU results only are considered
test bench winners eh ?
kinda like the dyno racers
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Bill, can I restate what you said and make sure that I'm understanding this correctly? Let me know if this is correct.
1. Different DieSims show differing results for Storm vs. Apogee etc...
2. DieSims are hard to correlate to actual CPU die temps and the resulting improved overclockability.
3. Lee's tests with die temps of an A64 show that the Apogee, Storm and MCW6002 perform similarly (within level of any user's ability to detect) even when using high voltage to show deltas that might be compressed on low-end systems.
4. DieSims (because of the difficulty in correlating their data to on-CPU-die temps) are less and less useful.
5. We are getting all bent out of shape over what appears to be a meaningless difference in performance (as seen on Lee's test).
6. Anecdotal evidence is interesting but useless precisely because we see unsubstantiated claims on both sides of the performance issue.
7. Bill is NOT trying to defend the poor QC which has led to the reports of metal shavings in the blocks.
8. Bill is not a liar because he accurately reported test data taken on his test system (and his Swiftech replacement isn't either).
My personal conclusion from Lee's data is that Storm is a better performing block than Apogee but (when QC issues are resolved) may not perform significantly different than Storm on current blocks. Future larger blocks may narrow and even reverse the small difference in perfomance if die sizes and power outputs greatly increase. But, this is not guaranteed. Apogee is certainly cheaper.
Here's my obligatory NiceGuy Moderator statement:
Please guys, stop telling each other that we're all full of fecal matter. As long as we are all open and honest, I sincerely believe that we can politely have differences of opinion because of different assumptions of what is important.
By all means, poke holes in each other's assumptions, but do it politely and remember that repetition seldom makes better penetration into someone else's thick skull. I know you aren't going to start a hug fest, but at least stop pouring napalm on the campfire. It's already burning JUST FINE.
