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Originally Posted by gone_fishin
No, they overclock. The above ambient crowd overclocks. There is also the phase change below ambient crowd who also overclocks (at sustained periods). The above ambient crowd is the bottom of the barrel so to speak, with the least performance gains and the least investment.
So I ask, what is the point of benchtesting to this crowd at this point (other than it being a hobby). There are physical limitations. For those enthuseists who wish to make the next leap in performance the obvious road is a reliable phase change system.
In that context this block by Swiftech appears to be overdesigned with far too much investment in getting data to use to market it. Now we see in fact that their own investment has turned against them and the very data they used to market it is the flak they are recieving. Nobody in their right minds will ever attempt this path in waterblock marketing to the bottom of the barrel again.
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Thanks gf, again
On 11/30 a thread was started “product testing today – who is being served ?” specifically addressing the potential for using a CPU as a so-so heat source intended towards low budget / semi-technical review sites. There has been limited response to this topic and the probable reason could be the strong disapproval apparent in this thread for both the thermal impediment and the additional source of uncertainty introduced into the DUT. I believe it is now correct to say that the more vocal on procooling (at least) wish optimum testing done with a bare die sim., I can accept such w/o question, that is the popular opinion.
There is no need for my technical concurrence on using a bare die sim, I and others have used such for years. The limitations of practical use however, I believe I may be uniquely aware of as I alone have visually observed with optical flats the surface wear over time. But it is quite clear that ‘facts’ are not going to be accepted on my say-so alone as I am not a “trusted’ source, and that virtually any anecdotal un-named source can trump my ‘facts’. Yes, such is the court of public opinion.
The ignorant conceit displayed by some, in a presumably technical forum, is amazing to one having started in engn some 40 yrs ago. Our technical society is built on Stds and Specs (ASTM, API, AWWA, NSF, ISO, DIN, etc., etc); these and company/product specs are how companies communicate. Contrast this with the comments of those who ‘cannot trust’ data because it was generated by the company itself. OK, now it is the presumed veniality of the company, they must lie for advantage. Well kids, keep that shit on procooling – you cannot work in engn with this mentality.
The Scientific Method: Define the Conclusion, and Assemble the Facts to Fit
Re the TTV, why not start a thread soliciting hands-on experience with TTVs ?
(I am a ‘not trusted source’ so my experience is invalidated; commercial interests, blah blah)
Sport has been had misquoting out of context the P4 TTV info. Anyone read the goddanm thing ? What is the heating element ? Whose hairbrained idea was it to consider the TTV as a CPU ? And transfer (presumed) problems ‘generally attributable’ to IHS TIM joints also to TTVs ? GOOD science fellows, why not consider that almost no one here knows anything about TTVs ? But of course it’s a source problem again. I suggest that TTVs disappear from our vocabulary, other than as a topic to beat up Swiftech of course.
It was distressing to have Stew raise the issue of my benefiting by pimping Swiftech products, and being a disgruntled ex-employee as well. If I was not a pimp for years before, why would I change ? Ah says the dirt-digger, because Gabe owes you money ! Liar Gabe is paying $380/wk, when he is so inclined; but if Gabe goes bellyup I am paid at once. So why would I be pimping Gabe’s stuff ? Again it returns to the issue of technical impartiality, now Stew too has called me out (to be polite, lol). [Why was this issue raised ? It is not technical, it is a personal slur.]
BillA, the technical whore – just ‘cause it feels good
I’ll take a break and see if I cannot develop a more positive attitude, later