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Cathar · 12-14-2005, 08:21 PM

The misunderstanding of others is not my problem, it's theirs. It only becomes an "issue" when they attempt to turn it into a problem that never existed. Throughout all of it, I have only seen one person disagree, accuse of hidden agendas, and accuse of lying, that being you. I only questioned your agenda after persistent baiting and snide comments, and even then, it was expressed as a rhetorical question, rather than an outright accusation as you so commonly lay at other's feet.

I want to see consistency. I represent the enthusiast overclocker first and foremost, and throughout our discussions in the past we have commonly understood that you and I have differing points of view about what is most important. I want qualification of die-temps, whether exact or as close as in reasonably possible, as these are of most importance to the enthusiast market, such as has been the case for the last 5 years.

When I see testing methodologies recommended that ignore die temps, and make assumptions about die temps, then I have an issue, and I have raised that same point consistently without diversion for the last four years. This whole Apogee vs Storm thing is just crap. It has nothing at all to do with the real issue, and the real point, but it seems that some are hell bent on attempting to dismiss very valid concerns under the weight of slanderous accusations that this is all about some stupid and irrelevant hidden agenda.

I have worn such accusations from yourself, and in private from Gabe, and I am sick to death of it. I represent the voice of the overclocking community that is being trampled on for purposes of CPU manufacturer testing convenience that quite easily and provably does nothing to serve the direct needs of the overclocking community.

Some, or even most, seem to understand that clear as day. A few, it seems, want to silence it, or call it irrelevant, for whatever reasons I do not know and still do not understand, suffice to say that those reasons appear to be due to a lack of understanding of the community's wants.

12-14-2005, 08:21 PM	#533
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	Re: Apogee from Swiftech... The misunderstanding of others is not my problem, it's theirs. It only becomes an "issue" when they attempt to turn it into a problem that never existed. Throughout all of it, I have only seen one person disagree, accuse of hidden agendas, and accuse of lying, that being you. I only questioned your agenda after persistent baiting and snide comments, and even then, it was expressed as a rhetorical question, rather than an outright accusation as you so commonly lay at other's feet. I want to see consistency. I represent the enthusiast overclocker first and foremost, and throughout our discussions in the past we have commonly understood that you and I have differing points of view about what is most important. I want qualification of die-temps, whether exact or as close as in reasonably possible, as these are of most importance to the enthusiast market, such as has been the case for the last 5 years. When I see testing methodologies recommended that ignore die temps, and make assumptions about die temps, then I have an issue, and I have raised that same point consistently without diversion for the last four years. This whole Apogee vs Storm thing is just crap. It has nothing at all to do with the real issue, and the real point, but it seems that some are hell bent on attempting to dismiss very valid concerns under the weight of slanderous accusations that this is all about some stupid and irrelevant hidden agenda. I have worn such accusations from yourself, and in private from Gabe, and I am sick to death of it. I represent the voice of the overclocking community that is being trampled on for purposes of CPU manufacturer testing convenience that quite easily and provably does nothing to serve the direct needs of the overclocking community. Some, or even most, seem to understand that clear as day. A few, it seems, want to silence it, or call it irrelevant, for whatever reasons I do not know and still do not understand, suffice to say that those reasons appear to be due to a lack of understanding of the community's wants.