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Cathar · 02-26-2006, 09:00 AM

Hi All,

Decided to drop by here after spending two (working) weeks in India, and a workload prior that can at best be described as inhumane. Marci is right, what little time I have spare from my real job (and we're talking maybe 16 spare hours a week in total where I'm not either sleeping or working or eating), I'm out on the bike enjoying the smallest chance I can get to escape from everything. That's not a whinge, it's just the way it is.

I never understood what the argument was against knowing Tjunction. I got sick of the general illogical crap that surrounded a call for less knowledge, and generally ceased to care any longer as my work pressures piled up further and further.

I got sick of the constant jabs by Bill, even when I wasn't even involved in any part of the thread that the jabs were contained in, and Bill's general character assassination. Found it inane and childish to the extreme. Sure, for a while I fought back, but remembered that saying that is oh so bitingly true:

"If you argue with a fool for long enough, then others often can't tell the difference between the two of you".

Not that I think Bill is a fool for most things, only for the persistent argument against knowing Tjunction as an additional data point. Could never understand why we would want less information. It was time to end the pointless game of biting the carrot. It was doing too much harm in the forums where it sadly took place, and I openly apologise to all who had to put up with it.

Nice to see that Swiftech have now started making a Storm Rev2, based upon my recommendations prior to me even being aware of the Apogee. Would also be nice if they contacted me at some stage as per our agreement to honor the design licensing arrangement. Last I was told was that it would be an automatic payment deal. Haven't seen anything head my way since about a month before the Apogee surfaced. Seems that I've been taken advantage of yet again.

No, what was once a very enjoyable hobby quite quickly turned into a sad set of bitter experiences, where some individuals couldn't even muster the self restraint to agree to disagree with dignity, and even to this day continue to poison the forums with their barbed statements. What was a sense of such high pride in my work, had been fairly neatly hijacked and destroyed by those with other agendas.

The Storm design could have quite happily be expanded to work across a larger area than it presently does, if that was deemed necessary. I still wasn't seeing the required proof that I was looking for to justify such though, and third party results are presently as good as inconclusive. Heck, could have even made it substantially cheaper to make had I been given the opportunity to participate in a re-jigging of the design, but I was excluded in this, and the design was subject to an unfair assassination attempt without really giving it a chance to be adjusted to fit the target market segment. Having effectively handed over the marketing control to a company who then proceeded to assasinate the design, rather than seek my assistance, was bitterly disappointing to say the least. Would not have hurt to have at least asked me "Hey - this is what we're seeing - we think this is the reason why - do you think you could match and/or exceed it?". Rather it was a bit of a cloak and dagger game of partial information extracted painfully, rather than an open co-operation which I would have been happy to participate in. I was still attempting to justify correctness and veracity, and the whole time my arguments were continually dismissed as mere misplaced pride, and in forums with a mountain of personal attacks.

So that pretty much sealed it for me. The industry is like a dog eating its own tail, and I think it's about up to the arsehole by now, and everything stinks as a result.

What used to be a place of free and open discussion about the way to move forwards, has often descended into bitter and pointless disputes, and little figures, and what figures do get disclosed, get dismissed anyway.

I like my hobbies to be enjoyable, where I'm learning, experiencing, and can see the fruits of my work. Have a lot of fond memories, but so little in recent times. My happiest memories of late have been working with Marci on the Thermochill PA radiators. There's a guy who understands what drives people to water-cool. Rides motorcycles too.

Very proud of the work that went into the PA rads. Very proud of the work that went into the G7 blocks.

Yeah, I know full well that overclocking is becoming increasingly pointless (if it isn't already), and performance water-cooling even moreso. It's why I've shifted my designs towards optimsing for a low-flow/low-noise tolerant view of the world, which is where water-cooling still makes a whole lot of sense. Water-cooling will remain a niche market, but it's understanding where that niche is that's important. Enthusiasts will pay for the clever designs and the designs that look good. The masses will just pay for what works. No harm done in targetting either, but there's also no need to insult those who target either goal as well. There's room for everyone here.

What a rambling post. Sorry for it. Still a lot more to say, not that anyone seems to either care, or be reading, any more. The wise ones have long since realised that the quality is gone from the show when the stage is being run by bullies. Don't blame them one bit. It's why I've not been here in ages. Every time I come back to take a look, it's the same old shit, months on.

If you want to know why this forum is in decline, answer these questions: Where have all the enthusiasts gone, and why did they leave? Lets face it, forums like this live and breathe on the hardcore enthusiasts. Is it because enthusiasts share joy in each other's work, rather than tear it down as happens here?

I'll be back, occasionally. Care factor is admittedly rather low though.

02-26-2006, 09:00 AM	#84
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	Re: Well! There is a third way! Hi All, Decided to drop by here after spending two (working) weeks in India, and a workload prior that can at best be described as inhumane. Marci is right, what little time I have spare from my real job (and we're talking maybe 16 spare hours a week in total where I'm not either sleeping or working or eating), I'm out on the bike enjoying the smallest chance I can get to escape from everything. That's not a whinge, it's just the way it is. I never understood what the argument was against knowing Tjunction. I got sick of the general illogical crap that surrounded a call for less knowledge, and generally ceased to care any longer as my work pressures piled up further and further. I got sick of the constant jabs by Bill, even when I wasn't even involved in any part of the thread that the jabs were contained in, and Bill's general character assassination. Found it inane and childish to the extreme. Sure, for a while I fought back, but remembered that saying that is oh so bitingly true: "If you argue with a fool for long enough, then others often can't tell the difference between the two of you". Not that I think Bill is a fool for most things, only for the persistent argument against knowing Tjunction as an additional data point. Could never understand why we would want less information. It was time to end the pointless game of biting the carrot. It was doing too much harm in the forums where it sadly took place, and I openly apologise to all who had to put up with it. Nice to see that Swiftech have now started making a Storm Rev2, based upon my recommendations prior to me even being aware of the Apogee. Would also be nice if they contacted me at some stage as per our agreement to honor the design licensing arrangement. Last I was told was that it would be an automatic payment deal. Haven't seen anything head my way since about a month before the Apogee surfaced. Seems that I've been taken advantage of yet again. No, what was once a very enjoyable hobby quite quickly turned into a sad set of bitter experiences, where some individuals couldn't even muster the self restraint to agree to disagree with dignity, and even to this day continue to poison the forums with their barbed statements. What was a sense of such high pride in my work, had been fairly neatly hijacked and destroyed by those with other agendas. The Storm design could have quite happily be expanded to work across a larger area than it presently does, if that was deemed necessary. I still wasn't seeing the required proof that I was looking for to justify such though, and third party results are presently as good as inconclusive. Heck, could have even made it substantially cheaper to make had I been given the opportunity to participate in a re-jigging of the design, but I was excluded in this, and the design was subject to an unfair assassination attempt without really giving it a chance to be adjusted to fit the target market segment. Having effectively handed over the marketing control to a company who then proceeded to assasinate the design, rather than seek my assistance, was bitterly disappointing to say the least. Would not have hurt to have at least asked me "Hey - this is what we're seeing - we think this is the reason why - do you think you could match and/or exceed it?". Rather it was a bit of a cloak and dagger game of partial information extracted painfully, rather than an open co-operation which I would have been happy to participate in. I was still attempting to justify correctness and veracity, and the whole time my arguments were continually dismissed as mere misplaced pride, and in forums with a mountain of personal attacks. So that pretty much sealed it for me. The industry is like a dog eating its own tail, and I think it's about up to the arsehole by now, and everything stinks as a result. What used to be a place of free and open discussion about the way to move forwards, has often descended into bitter and pointless disputes, and little figures, and what figures do get disclosed, get dismissed anyway. I like my hobbies to be enjoyable, where I'm learning, experiencing, and can see the fruits of my work. Have a lot of fond memories, but so little in recent times. My happiest memories of late have been working with Marci on the Thermochill PA radiators. There's a guy who understands what drives people to water-cool. Rides motorcycles too. Very proud of the work that went into the PA rads. Very proud of the work that went into the G7 blocks. Yeah, I know full well that overclocking is becoming increasingly pointless (if it isn't already), and performance water-cooling even moreso. It's why I've shifted my designs towards optimsing for a low-flow/low-noise tolerant view of the world, which is where water-cooling still makes a whole lot of sense. Water-cooling will remain a niche market, but it's understanding where that niche is that's important. Enthusiasts will pay for the clever designs and the designs that look good. The masses will just pay for what works. No harm done in targetting either, but there's also no need to insult those who target either goal as well. There's room for everyone here. What a rambling post. Sorry for it. Still a lot more to say, not that anyone seems to either care, or be reading, any more. The wise ones have long since realised that the quality is gone from the show when the stage is being run by bullies. Don't blame them one bit. It's why I've not been here in ages. Every time I come back to take a look, it's the same old shit, months on. If you want to know why this forum is in decline, answer these questions: Where have all the enthusiasts gone, and why did they leave? Lets face it, forums like this live and breathe on the hardcore enthusiasts. Is it because enthusiasts share joy in each other's work, rather than tear it down as happens here? I'll be back, occasionally. Care factor is admittedly rather low though.