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Originally Posted by Joe
You know I am getting ****ing pissed here. I have stayed on the outside of the technical "discussion" because its not my strong area. But... For **** sake. This manipulative word play has to stop.
Theres no progress being made here. All there is is people waiting for others to **** up so they can throw it back in their face. Word manipulation, taking things out of context, questioning ethics and influences on why people are saying one thing or the other... No one is listening, everyone is talking and talking and talking. ****ing take a minute to shut the **** up to LISTEN and THINK.
****ing preschoolers have better problem resolution skills than you tards. There is absolutely no honor in deliberately trying to bait people, which is all that a select few are doing here.
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My take on this subject: there's no insanity about two major player leaving the arena. Why such a debate? Aren't they allowed to come back, but with some restrains (read new rules)?
From this long topic, some things Cathar said about lack of moderation are indeed true and objective. Joe's answer: in a perfect world no moderation should be necessary. Well, and no lawyers and no politicians and no cops and burglers etc.
Every society needs moderators, this forum needs one to step in when the rules are being twisted and when users go beyond certain limits.
It has to take concrete measures not simple warnings.
Furthermore i think that more or less almost everyone participated in some high inflammable threads and joined the insanity going on at the time, so each one has his quota of responsability.
Joe's presence as a moderator was scarce, no authority.
People started slowly to walk away, no one cared at the time or thought important, because in a selfish way the rationale was that while Bill Adams and Cathar (not discriminating other members) stayed in the house all was well.
The problem arose when these two members started a cat fight.
Now they left and Joe realises that it's impossible to continue with the remaining members, there's no "gang" leader, and no one cares.
On a side note: it's expected of people to make mistakes but not to leave them behind, so in this sense Bill and Cathar's reaction was irresponsible ( and starting to be a bit repetitive).
Now on a practical level:
- I don't think we should need to ask the absent members to come back, they left on their own accord, BUT, i was liking the practical method Bill Adams used lately creating his blogs, a hands on approach. I think that he was trying to come up with something, (to start anew again) which is more than i can say about other members.
Scientific method is in my view necessary, mandatory.
What i would like to see: to gather up members from this forum, and create various groups to develop test procedures and methods and then based on it assemble a testing vehicle (TTV or not).
The result would be the sum of all the effort, time and responsability put by the various members and no one could take all the credits to itself.No comercial project either, therefore no objections of bias.
NOT to open a thread and then start to transform it in some vanity fair.
Oh, and a deadline.
Procooling should once again have a leading role and it's better to have something very good, even unattainable, than to lower the standards.
Sort out the differences and create a unique platform.
Is this insanity too?