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Unread 05-21-2011, 02:53 PM   #13
Phoenix32
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Default Re: 4400/4200/4500/15000 SATA Adapters

Will, reading your message made a number of things clear to me. 1) You know very little about this project. 2) You know very little abut me. 3) "Seem" to know very little about hardware R&D. And 4) Have either not been on the forum that long (even in the background lurking), have a bad memory, or that you have just been skimming messages.

Let me address #4 first. Being that I have been here a long time myself, I suspect it is the "not been here that long" (even lurking) since it only has been a short time that I have seen you posting messages. But I also suspect you do not truly read, but rather skim a lot of the messages here. That is the conclusion I have come to anywise. Because, IMO, you would otherwise not have the problems of #1 and #2.

#3 is based on the concept that I clearly said I had $500 invested in this project. Anyone with operational knowledge of hardware R&D would know the costs of development in the manner the content of your message suggests would be in the double digit thousands of dollars, not $500. This was clearly more like a scratch mod for enthusiests, not a full blown market product.

Now for #1 thru #4, all kind of clumped together and reply to your message.

Considering I am an engineering technician (R&D), then trust me, I know R&D of new products has always been a time consuming and financially-straining process. I really didn't need to be told that. In fact, it kind of felt a bit condescending of you to me, but then if you knew me, you would have already known that.

As for QA, it has not been tested to true manufacturing levels, but it has been tested very carefully and to a very great extent by more than 1 person in both home and corporate environments. FAR MORE than most mod projects ever get tested by leaps and bouds. It works.

This WAS NOT a business adventure as you suggest. This goes back to your knowlege of the project over time. In fact, it is/was EXACTLY what you said it wasn't. It was supposed to be a Mod developed for enthusiests by enthusiests, to be freely used by all conected to it. If you knew anything about me and my posting on this forum over the long haul, you would know I do not do this to make money and have deleloped many things over time here on the forum where people had a need and did not charge them anything for it unless they wanted me to do the work for them. I have spent an unimaginable amount of time testing things people wanted to know about, figuring out problems, and quite often risking my own equipments in the process for the whole dollar amount of ZERO. With that said, I live on a low fixed income. If something someone wanted was going to cost me money, I relayed those costs to them if they wanted it (parts, shipping, etc). And if I had to touch their equipment to do it, I charged them a VERY MINIMAL amount of labor. When I say minimal, I would say things like $10 to $20. Not the hourly wages a basic technician would even charge. So yes, if you are not getting it yet, I was a little bit offended that your message kind of made me sound like a leech try to make money on this community.

But back to the project. Yup, it was "supposed to be" a Mod developed for enthusiests by enthusiests, to be freely used by all conected to it. But there is the rub. People wanted it, said they wanted it, begged for it, then when I started it up, got left hangin' holding it all. There was no help. There was no other "partners" to share the information or documentation with. I found myself all alone rapidly, absorbing all the costs in $ and time. In other words, most people seemed to want it handed up to them on a silver platter without any involvement in the costs or time to do it. THAT is why I got very frustrated at it, and eventualy dropped the project after I had developed it enough for my own uses. If not for a couple friends pushing me, I would have never completed it for others to use at all. BUT they did and so I did. I could have kept my mouth shut and just done if for them, but I felt I would offer it up to people here on the forum also since so many people had said they wanted it, and I also figured I could recover a "VERY LITTLE" amount of my costs in doing so. Not make money or take advantage of anyone, just recover a little bit of lost funds. I see nothing wrong with that at all. In fact I think I was being nice and generous to even offer it up at all after how it all went down.

I could go on all day with this one but I think I have said enough to make my point. Your conclusions were WAY OFF TRACK, and if you knew me, the history on this project, etc, then you would have known all this. But you don't. Obviously.

I was offended by your rmessage, but I will give you credit for one thing in it. You said, "seemed" and "seems" a lot. Meaning to me, it was your interpetation of the situation, not as a fact, which it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by willPower View Post
Another reason people may not be interested in buying these from you is because you're very confrontational and like to post messages they sent to you privately in public forums.
Now this one really pisses me off from you. This did not used to be the perception for a very long time (years), but ever since this one ass-hole started crap over and over with me and started saying how confrontational I am over and over and over, it has become a stigma that is percieved no matter how I type things. Feels like high school crap to me. People hear it enough, then they start believing it, and then they start seeing it because it is what they expect. It's called the Pygmalion effect, look it up. You see what you expect, self fullfilling prophecy. I thought better of you than this, but I was wrong.

FOR THE RECORD, I do not confront people unless they are spouting crap as facts that I know are not facts and have evidense to prove it. OR, if I am attacked, I will rain down fire and brimstone in return. PERIOD!!! Never ever have on this forum. PERIOD!!!

Look at your own message to me and tell me it was not confrontational. So of course that is what you will get back. But oh yeah, I am the bad guy because I came back at you like this. Funny how peope forget whom "Confronted" whom first. My message to you two was not confrontational, it was an expression of my feelings on this subject and why. At least I was honest. Can't say the same for some people around ths forum.

But, if people post false information, theories, or speculative things here as FACTS, then I feel it is my duty (and the duty of ANYONE here who knows it to be incorrect) to confront it as NON FACT to protect those who may not know. THAT is where I confront people, and then only if I know and can prove it to be non fact.

NOTE: The Pro Cooling Owner, Admin, and Snap Server Forum Moderator must know all of this and agree or I would no longer be here. DUH!

And honestly, there is a big difference between offering somethng to someone and trying to sell something to someone. I offered up some of the Adapters for people to have. I really could not care much less if anyone ever buys them or not.

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Originally Posted by willPower View Post
Have you considered filing a patent to protect your design? You might want to look into this since you're going to be making money off of these.
For starters, it is not my plan (nor has it ever been) to make money on these. That and it is a mod, not a full R&D deveopment costing thousands of dollars, thus I would be infringing on others intelectual property. Not my style.

I hope I made my points.
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