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Originally posted by pHaestus
I don't understand how Joe, Joe C, BillA, and other serious testers keep at it. Bill's adage is true:
"All temps are crap...."
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I agree a lot with this! Here is a break down on my whole lil deal about cooling reviews: ( this applys only to reviewing cooling products)
I hate reading them, I hate writing them, I hate even the thought of doing them. You know why??? Simple, cause people take the numbers litterally. When I do reviews like the Waterblock roundup I do a whole bunch of products at once for the simple reason that me taking temps with my setup on one product will yeild results that are rather baseless and have no guage to how my temps relate whe comparing to other products.
This is why Reading a review of 1 HSF or something is about the biggest waste of time, since I have no idea what kind of error this guys setup has so I have no idea how Site A's test compares with Site B's test. Normally there are significant differences.
So compare'n a BIG group of blocks or HSF's or Rad's together and laying all the data out you can see how they relate to eachother to give some basis for whats better and whats worse and where. I honestly dont take the numbers in the review as being absolute, I think they are as accurate as I can get with the gear I have currently, but I dont say they are "THE" temps. Out of a review on cooling stuff I only aim to show how Product A did against Product B on a level playing field with the lowest possible error factor.
But many people of the [H] mentality ( I think you know what I mean when I say that so I am not going to explain that comment... it isnt directed at anyone in this thread just at the general mentality of some people... AKA Noobs) look at the temps I list as absolute, and either say the review is GREAT if they think the numbers line up with theirs, or it SUCKS if they dont, without looking at the big picture of tests. That is why I hate doing cooling reviews, cause all it does is unleash a load of emails asking me why their temps are different than mine, or that "You temps suck, learn how to cool!... my temps are 5deg below yours and right at ambient at full load...." beautiful logic.
anyway thats my story.
as far as saying thermocouples are shit, and Thermistors are the shit, or any of the above... I think we have come to a point in the discussion that we can both agree some Thermistors suck, some rock, some Thermocouples suck some rock. It all depends on the quality of the gear you use.
Now... what about thermal diodes/transistors like the Crystal Fontz 633 uses?? something that is NOT affected at all by solder joints, or wire lenght ( each is a self contained thermometer for all intents and purposes).