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BillA · 05-09-2002, 05:40 PM

as the subject was raised here, and is known to some (manufacturers) but not to the public generally;
I would state that BillA is commercially involved in testing WCing components (Thermal Management Testing Co.)
but that no work paid for by a manufacturer is included in articles, or in the misc data and graphs that I post;
all such data (and even the fact of its existence) is the property of the mfgr, and generally covered by an NDA

but I can tell any interested, that its slim pickings in the testing business
pounds for puffery, pennies for proof

one does have to keep a bit of perspective regarding the end user’s need for and use of test results
performance testing yields results expressed in engineering units, and typically such are not well understood - and seldom indeed actually used in working up the overall 'design' of a WCing system
while I (having an interest ??) and other engineer types would like to see all products' performance actually quantified, mfgrs have little economic incentive to do so given the sorry understanding that most OCers have of their OWN temp measurement inadequacies

how is that Overclockers' Mantra ?

all temps are crap, and Watts are worse
oooohhhhhhmmmmmmm

even so; as pHaestus suggested, and Jess concurred, some basic data like air and liquid flow resistance curves really should be provided - and such are NOT impossibly difficult to generate

I'm reminded of the instant proliferation of "low pressure drop" radiator claims that appeared after that old rad article;
-> without a SINGLE CURVE ever being presented, wow !

Bill Adams

EDIT: some progress perhaps ?, an AMD diode reader

EDIT: corrected bad diode reader link

05-09-2002, 05:40 PM	#6
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	as the subject was raised here, and is known to some (manufacturers) but not to the public generally; I would state that BillA is commercially involved in testing WCing components (Thermal Management Testing Co.) but that no work paid for by a manufacturer is included in articles, or in the misc data and graphs that I post; all such data (and even the fact of its existence) is the property of the mfgr, and generally covered by an NDA but I can tell any interested, that its slim pickings in the testing business pounds for puffery, pennies for proof one does have to keep a bit of perspective regarding the end user’s need for and use of test results performance testing yields results expressed in engineering units, and typically such are not well understood - and seldom indeed actually used in working up the overall 'design' of a WCing system while I (having an interest ??) and other engineer types would like to see all products' performance actually quantified, mfgrs have little economic incentive to do so given the sorry understanding that most OCers have of their OWN temp measurement inadequacies how is that Overclockers' Mantra ? all temps are crap, and Watts are worse oooohhhhhhmmmmmmm even so; as pHaestus suggested, and Jess concurred, some basic data like air and liquid flow resistance curves really should be provided - and such are NOT impossibly difficult to generate I'm reminded of the instant proliferation of "low pressure drop" radiator claims that appeared after that old rad article; -> without a SINGLE CURVE ever being presented, wow ! Bill Adams EDIT: some progress perhaps ?, an AMD diode reader EDIT: corrected bad diode reader link Last edited by BillA; 05-10-2002 at 09:38 AM.