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Powerhouse · 05-24-2002, 01:05 PM

I do appreciate a lot of what you guys are saying, I just don't think the majority of people out there will really care if the temp is 0.1C off or not in your tests. Let alone care about the effects of Humidity (I dont even know what the humidity is in my area, and I would imagine that most other people don't either). The fact that you break this down to the nitty gritty detail, is great (whatever floats your boat I suppose). However, if after you completed your testing, and someone else did a test and was say only 1-2C off in there temp compared to yours (but their methods were more in line with what I proposed) do you think the majority of comsumers would really care?

To answer some of your questions bigben2k:

1. Will these tests be expensive? Perhaps, but I would imagine that someone from one of the major OC/Performance/Cooling websites (Birrman54, pHaestus, etc) will be able to get the equipment (WB's, Rad's, Pump's, etc) for free (just like people get Motherboards, Ram, CPU's, etc) for testing purposes (probably have to return them afterward though

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2. People will always have different gear (that's the name of the game with PC's), but if you had a baseline test system, you could just swap in a different CPU (and new Motherboard if needed) and show the difference with the newer CPU. So if you started with an AthlonXP, you could swap that out for a T-Bred, test it with your base system. This would give people a good comparison of what to expect with this new CPU. About the only time this wouldn't work out as well, is if you went from say an Athlon to a P4 Northwood (then you would have a different WB to test as well as the different CPU).

3. Most testing I have seen done has included a CPU under Idle and Load condititions.

4. I don't ignore the numbers in the tests I've read about online. My point was, that you don't need to read the numbers on 15 different sites, to see that one particular Heatsink is the best (in a varity of setups and systems). Your second comment is what I have been trying to get across. "...the best of each will not yield the best results" pHaetus is only testing WB's, so his test might show a WB performing better than all the rest, but when you put it in a system (realword not some lab), the same WB might suck.

5. I agree about the Rads, and I would even suggest that larger Rads perform better on highflow blocks, while smaller Rads perform better on lowflow blocks (course haven't seen any test on this yet).

6. Different rigs might change the numbers a bit, but you are correct, you could get the same results with some completely different Rig.

7. My points on tubing size have to do with the fact that you see numerous posts about people having 5/8 OD tubing (vs. say 3/8 OD tubing) and this gave them 1-3C better performance. Again, this would help people decide if they really needed the big 5/8 tube or could they use the smaller 3/8 tube and still have acceptable performance. I myself perfer the 3/8 OD tubing as it takes up less space, and is easier to work with (bendable, easier to poke it in out of the way places, etc). I agree with the 0.1C temp testing, it really isn't necessary for the Majority of people.

05-24-2002, 01:05 PM	#32
Powerhouse Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 25	I do appreciate a lot of what you guys are saying, I just don't think the majority of people out there will really care if the temp is 0.1C off or not in your tests. Let alone care about the effects of Humidity (I dont even know what the humidity is in my area, and I would imagine that most other people don't either). The fact that you break this down to the nitty gritty detail, is great (whatever floats your boat I suppose). However, if after you completed your testing, and someone else did a test and was say only 1-2C off in there temp compared to yours (but their methods were more in line with what I proposed) do you think the majority of comsumers would really care? To answer some of your questions bigben2k: 1. Will these tests be expensive? Perhaps, but I would imagine that someone from one of the major OC/Performance/Cooling websites (Birrman54, pHaestus, etc) will be able to get the equipment (WB's, Rad's, Pump's, etc) for free (just like people get Motherboards, Ram, CPU's, etc) for testing purposes (probably have to return them afterward though ) 2. People will always have different gear (that's the name of the game with PC's), but if you had a baseline test system, you could just swap in a different CPU (and new Motherboard if needed) and show the difference with the newer CPU. So if you started with an AthlonXP, you could swap that out for a T-Bred, test it with your base system. This would give people a good comparison of what to expect with this new CPU. About the only time this wouldn't work out as well, is if you went from say an Athlon to a P4 Northwood (then you would have a different WB to test as well as the different CPU). 3. Most testing I have seen done has included a CPU under Idle and Load condititions. 4. I don't ignore the numbers in the tests I've read about online. My point was, that you don't need to read the numbers on 15 different sites, to see that one particular Heatsink is the best (in a varity of setups and systems). Your second comment is what I have been trying to get across. "...the best of each will not yield the best results" pHaetus is only testing WB's, so his test might show a WB performing better than all the rest, but when you put it in a system (realword not some lab), the same WB might suck. 5. I agree about the Rads, and I would even suggest that larger Rads perform better on highflow blocks, while smaller Rads perform better on lowflow blocks (course haven't seen any test on this yet). 6. Different rigs might change the numbers a bit, but you are correct, you could get the same results with some completely different Rig. 7. My points on tubing size have to do with the fact that you see numerous posts about people having 5/8 OD tubing (vs. say 3/8 OD tubing) and this gave them 1-3C better performance. Again, this would help people decide if they really needed the big 5/8 tube or could they use the smaller 3/8 tube and still have acceptable performance. I myself perfer the 3/8 OD tubing as it takes up less space, and is easier to work with (bendable, easier to poke it in out of the way places, etc). I agree with the 0.1C temp testing, it really isn't necessary for the Majority of people.