ok... nice, thanks for the link. I was looking at some that were annodized aluminum, (free cause I pulled them off some other pieces of equipment I have laying around

but I like the copper ones better... I will let you know how it goes... right now I am pretty sure my limiting factor is either the CPU, mobo or PS ... (cause when I go from 11 to 11.5 it will post and not quite get all the way through the IRQ device list page) so I am either pulling too much power (very probable considering my weak ass powersupply) or maxing out my chip or pulling too much power through my motherboard (since it has to step the voltage down from 5V to the lower voltages required by the chip) ...