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Blackeagle · 12-21-2002, 06:00 PM

A interesting read.

I also just finished reading both that page in the cache and all pages of the Bluecooling site as it now is.

One thing I noticed is that when you link into the Bluecooling site today and hit any page but the front one you would see nothing to make you relize that this site is not open for sales.

Couldn't this very well have been the case at the time of that Google screen shot? I think that is VERY possible. It might be a good idea for that company to note the fact they are not open to sales at this time on each page of their site to avoid confusion.

I think that I agree with both Bigben & Maddog. After reading of the currant site and the cache page I can see that as BigBen said, both Kyle of [H] and George of Bluecooling can each be telling the truth.

If Kyle received a offer to reveiw a new product with a link to view the product at a new site, wouldn't it well be the link would take him to the page with infor and pix of that product? Would he feel any need to check the front page for disclaimers? Thus if the contacting individual did not clearly state in his e-mails that the site wasn't yet ready to open Kyle would be sure to think they were open from his reading the sites info. As would anyone hitting the site now on any page except the first. Thus Kyle now rightly feels he "knows the truth". I can't blame him for that, I wouldn't have checked the front page for disclaimers myself.

The e-mail content shown by Kyle to Winewood is one interesting thorn in this whole thing. Did the buyer in that e-mail knowingly buy a proto type? A early pre-production model? Could he have failed to note that to Kyle as he was pissed off at Bluecooling and wanted to have Kyle grind his axe for him (I seem to recall seeing that service offered at [H].) Kyle's refusal to disclose this persons name without that persons agreement (which that guy would have reason to withhold) is in fact the very honorable thing for Kyle to do.

George no doubt feels he's the victom of sharp practice due his clear disclaimer on the front door of the site. Yet he may fail to relize how easy it is to get a VERY differant impression if the person hitting the site doesn't hit that first page, but instead links into the site elsewhere. And my reading of the site seems to indicate to me that Bluecooling has realeased or maybe even, sold at special discount rates (buy now is stated still today on some of the inner pages, in spite of the front page disclaimer), a few pre-production units for people and sites to try out and evaluate. This is not at all unusual. And George may not even relieze one of these people now has a axe he's looking to have sharpened, and a back to plant it in.

NOw comes Winewoods arrival intent on "finding the truth".
And he to is telling the full truth as best he can, after doing all he can to find a buyer, he can't. Thus it looks to him that Kyle lied to him. Kyle's tendency toward short and rude responses when someone questions him beyond what he feels like putting up with didn't, I'm sure help here. "Do what you have to bro." is I think how he phrased it in one respnse to Winewood. Short and blunt (if you thought rude to strong) responses like that do not win you friends, they can however make you enemys quickly.

This is all conjecture of course, but is one possible way in which all the partys involved can in fact be telling the truth.

I was quick to have doubts about Kyle due to having watched his words & actions (mass bannings) over the Intell CPU reveiw. So after reading Winewoods first post regarding these matters I was perhaps quick to judge. I can now see a way this could have all come to pass which would show that Kyle is telling the truth, with the info he had/has. Yet what I said in my response to Winewood in that other thread still stands in this much, I feel he should be commended not damned for his efforts from what I have seen. His carefully worded e-mails he posted, that drew some to think he must be connected to the Bluecooling company, can also be read as one trying very hard to act in a manner not to be taken as confrontational while still seeking answers. And if Winewood read much of the exchange on both this site and [H] during the water block blowup, and the even worse exchange with those who dared to question [H]'s CPU reveiw on both the [H] and Extreme systems site, can anyone here blame him for his care? ? ? Not [H]ardly. Kyle shoots from the hip at times, both through words and bannings, and that is a nice way of phrasing things. (I'd be surprised if Kyle doesn't wish he could have a chance to live those few days over differantly in hind sight. Both times. Damage to the [H] in both of them, and it was needless.)

If any blocks were sold, without the buyer being told they were proto types thay had to be very, very few indeed. If not then as MadDog said where are all these irate buyers? Some would have surely paid by check or credit cards leaving them with proofs in hand. But all I've seen is that one e-mail Kyle offered. But that is no longer enough for me to continue to feel that Kyle is being dishonest in this matter as I said above. Nor is it enough to sway me to be sure that Bluecooling is being dishonest in their dealings.

In the end this could all have been caused by a miss communication that grew out of control. But hard to see how we'll find out for sure, Winewood has tried hard to do so from what I can see. Sorry to see his efforts have caused some to doubt him for those very efforts.

12-21-2002, 06:00 PM	#11
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	A interesting read. I also just finished reading both that page in the cache and all pages of the Bluecooling site as it now is. One thing I noticed is that when you link into the Bluecooling site today and hit any page but the front one you would see nothing to make you relize that this site is not open for sales. Couldn't this very well have been the case at the time of that Google screen shot? I think that is VERY possible. It might be a good idea for that company to note the fact they are not open to sales at this time on each page of their site to avoid confusion. I think that I agree with both Bigben & Maddog. After reading of the currant site and the cache page I can see that as BigBen said, both Kyle of [H] and George of Bluecooling can each be telling the truth. If Kyle received a offer to reveiw a new product with a link to view the product at a new site, wouldn't it well be the link would take him to the page with infor and pix of that product? Would he feel any need to check the front page for disclaimers? Thus if the contacting individual did not clearly state in his e-mails that the site wasn't yet ready to open Kyle would be sure to think they were open from his reading the sites info. As would anyone hitting the site now on any page except the first. Thus Kyle now rightly feels he "knows the truth". I can't blame him for that, I wouldn't have checked the front page for disclaimers myself. The e-mail content shown by Kyle to Winewood is one interesting thorn in this whole thing. Did the buyer in that e-mail knowingly buy a proto type? A early pre-production model? Could he have failed to note that to Kyle as he was pissed off at Bluecooling and wanted to have Kyle grind his axe for him (I seem to recall seeing that service offered at [H].) Kyle's refusal to disclose this persons name without that persons agreement (which that guy would have reason to withhold) is in fact the very honorable thing for Kyle to do. George no doubt feels he's the victom of sharp practice due his clear disclaimer on the front door of the site. Yet he may fail to relize how easy it is to get a VERY differant impression if the person hitting the site doesn't hit that first page, but instead links into the site elsewhere. And my reading of the site seems to indicate to me that Bluecooling has realeased or maybe even, sold at special discount rates (buy now is stated still today on some of the inner pages, in spite of the front page disclaimer), a few pre-production units for people and sites to try out and evaluate. This is not at all unusual. And George may not even relieze one of these people now has a axe he's looking to have sharpened, and a back to plant it in. NOw comes Winewoods arrival intent on "finding the truth". And he to is telling the full truth as best he can, after doing all he can to find a buyer, he can't. Thus it looks to him that Kyle lied to him. Kyle's tendency toward short and rude responses when someone questions him beyond what he feels like putting up with didn't, I'm sure help here. "Do what you have to bro." is I think how he phrased it in one respnse to Winewood. Short and blunt (if you thought rude to strong) responses like that do not win you friends, they can however make you enemys quickly. This is all conjecture of course, but is one possible way in which all the partys involved can in fact be telling the truth. I was quick to have doubts about Kyle due to having watched his words & actions (mass bannings) over the Intell CPU reveiw. So after reading Winewoods first post regarding these matters I was perhaps quick to judge. I can now see a way this could have all come to pass which would show that Kyle is telling the truth, with the info he had/has. Yet what I said in my response to Winewood in that other thread still stands in this much, I feel he should be commended not damned for his efforts from what I have seen. His carefully worded e-mails he posted, that drew some to think he must be connected to the Bluecooling company, can also be read as one trying very hard to act in a manner not to be taken as confrontational while still seeking answers. And if Winewood read much of the exchange on both this site and [H] during the water block blowup, and the even worse exchange with those who dared to question [H]'s CPU reveiw on both the [H] and Extreme systems site, can anyone here blame him for his care? ? ? Not [H]ardly. Kyle shoots from the hip at times, both through words and bannings, and that is a nice way of phrasing things. (I'd be surprised if Kyle doesn't wish he could have a chance to live those few days over differantly in hind sight. Both times. Damage to the [H] in both of them, and it was needless.) If any blocks were sold, without the buyer being told they were proto types thay had to be very, very few indeed. If not then as MadDog said where are all these irate buyers? Some would have surely paid by check or credit cards leaving them with proofs in hand. But all I've seen is that one e-mail Kyle offered. But that is no longer enough for me to continue to feel that Kyle is being dishonest in this matter as I said above. Nor is it enough to sway me to be sure that Bluecooling is being dishonest in their dealings. In the end this could all have been caused by a miss communication that grew out of control. But hard to see how we'll find out for sure, Winewood has tried hard to do so from what I can see. Sorry to see his efforts have caused some to doubt him for those very efforts. Last edited by Blackeagle; 12-21-2002 at 06:05 PM.