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the US is out to stabilise the middle east
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If you believe that, it shows you're FAR away from the middle east. Try and talk to people who live there. The US are poking a stick into a hornets nest. What will ensue is called: chaos. And weirdly, that's the opinion of Poutine, Chirac, and most members of the UN.
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That's the real issue here: Saddam is pocketing profits from the sale of oil, and letting his countrymen die of starvation, and his country's economy go down the drain.
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The real issue ? Don't you know it yet ?
The US is overly dependent on Saudi Arabia to provide their oil. On a market, having a single monopolistic source is unhealthy. Moreover, S.A. is the main source of funding for international terrorism, and the breeding grounds for Al Quaida and the likes. The US want to detach from these people, and that's undestandable.
Economically, who will pay this war. Eurpeans and Russians. Look at the markets and see how the dollar is falling. Once the war is over, Bush administration will print more money to fuel inflation, and catapult the US economy forward. That's how all wars have been done. Try and ask an economist he'll get into the details (i did, that was insightful).
No wonder then, that Chirac and Poutine are opposed... Because EU and RU have everything to lose there.
So sorry, the reason is a bit more complex than just "good vs evil"...
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the UN cannot "get it together" to realize the extent of the threat.
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Yeah. So the rest of the world (and their representatives) cannot add 2 +2. We're doomed.
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what are you really trying to do, and why?
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They know it, and know it well. The problem is called "diplomacy". They cannot tell the US "you're going there because 1+2+3". They're trying to push the US to tell that themselves.
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The US would like nothing more than to force a democratic government upon Iraq
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Nothing more ? Are you sure ? Because there are MANY other mad dicators out there. Ever head of Birmany, Cambodgia, North Korea,... ?
Oh let's take an example. Timor. Nobody cared, for years, about torture, policy of terror, etc. Until they discovered oil resources there. All of sudden the US were out to "restore democracy". Aint that funny.
And the fact that Iraq has the 2nd biggest oil resoucres has nothing to do with that war. It's just for democracy.
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I don't think that the UN has it as a purpose to do anything like that: if a country is a dictatorship, then it's a dictatorship, period. Cuba is still well represented.
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Nothing is more wrong. The UN has no secret agenda, no economics interests. One of the missions of the UN is to promote freedom, democracy, human rights, etc. Cuba, well represented ? Ahah. By human right activists, yeah. They're put into jail there... Do you think the people of Cuba don't have any right to speak up and tell about their situation at the UN ?
Ah i forgot there's nothing on Cuba apart from tobacco. Too bad for them. Fidel Castro has killed lots of ppl, or jailed them for their ideas, just like any other dictator...
Anyway go and read a bit (or talk to ppl in the know) about the UN.
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There is some history behind this american purpose, where the US has made generous donations to various countries, with some reservations, in order to promote democracy.
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Hahaha you wrote that seriously ?
Do you know about South America ?
Did you read the (now open) archives on Mr Kissinger's policy ?
Besides in our current situation: US representatives have been visiting African countries (those which have a voice at the UN security council, not the others), to promise them some financial help in exchange of their voice at the council... So "generous".
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So the UN is not going to allow the US to topple Iraq, because that's not what the UN is for.
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See above. The UN doesn't help or even remotely sustain dictators.
On the other hand, many people around the world (even in the US), believe in the "
right for the people to dispose of themselves". This is key. If the Iraqi would want to change the regime, they'd do it. If they had problems to do so, the UN or secret services would help them.