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Unread 03-20-2003, 04:12 PM   #52
TerraMex
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Default Just a few remarks to Alchemy.

You've missed out the most important point, and wich alot of the debate is focused upon. It's the 2nd largest oil reserve in the world. With Kuwait and Iraq it stands for 20% of the world's total oil exports. It's an important slice alot of countrys fear that it can be "held hostage" to the whims of the Bush Administration.

This to say that a good part of europeans see the war in this format.

Of course, the use of the "regime change" without looking at consequences (there are inumerous), civilian losses, bypassing the UN, etc , add up to the cake.

The Sanctions were presses by the UN, with the US agreement, and some specially forced by the US and the Uk. So that argument is out the window. And some were presented to the UN to be lifted and were promptly dismissed by the US, Uk and several other (and european) countrys, wich were benificiaries of the Oil for Food endeavour , and other financial beneficts from it. Its a money thing.

Israel is an illegal state by any standards. The palestinians were there first, and with (mainly) the aid of the USA and UK (specially UK, since they controlled the region for some time) they were trampled by the israelit military to date. If you check the news, so much for the humans rights there too. They (israel) enjoy a protection given mainly by the USA in the securty council . Knowing that, most countrys dont really like Israel. Including iraq, jordan, iran, turkey, saudi arabia , etc (those neighbours). They find it insulting that one of their neighbours was/is under occupation. Doesnt matter if they like the palestinians or not, its a matter of respecting their soberany (i think is well written), so thats one of the corner stones of the middle east conflict.

Its not pratical to "get then into a rocket and shoot them into the sun". They're not moving, and neither are the palestinians. The real agenda will have to be a peace agreeded by both sides, and kept by the UN. It can be done.

I agree that the US shouldnt stay put when it comes to certain attacks (I refrain myself for saying terrorism) . But those actions start in knowing why, and doing something to change the "why" and not picking up a target (on a raffle) and droping "the bomb" on them.

Interesting enough, there's zero evidence of Iraq sponsoring "terrorists". It wasnt even proven that the 9/11 was from the Talibans. There was one or two talibans in the attacks. Most were from Saudi Arabia for that matter, and some from Kuwait and Iran and a few other countrys . But you can go after Saudi Arabia because... they're one of the US's biggest oil supplier. And not a flimsy country with a beaten army. Things get alot complicated when you reach world's politics.

I all forward in getting Saddam out of there but not by invading Iraq. Diplomatic pressure, combined by a willing people to revolt is the best way to go. IMO. Then the rest would be under the supervision of the UN.

Just my 0.02 cents.
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