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Unread 03-21-2003, 04:39 PM   #25
TerraMex
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So much for diplomacy and democracy. If you dont like what you hear, ignore them, or blast them .

Mainly for airspirit, i point the flaws in your speech, and you dont like that. Dont like what's written ? Then its stupid, and the writer is stupid. Well, duh. Keep the script. Its called censure. You just want to read the posts that agree with you.

>rather, the effective means of ensuring their
>non-proliferation

I agree. But how do you propose to do that? By force? * (Read below, plz.) If not, them what? I'd really like to know .

That anti nuke shield doesnt work, but if it did , it would be a great start. If you cant use them, then you dont really need them. It would be like shooting a bullet proof window. However, it does not invalidade the use of chemical or biological weapons. But those are much easier to contain, and inspect.

nexxo makes perfect sense. I believe that's the way to go. Going phisical against countrys that have WMD is almost inviting them to use those weapons. However, breaking the need of those weapons would ensure a much safer countrys , and less prone to conflicts.

But to achieve that there must be an understanding on what causes those conflicts , and why they have this race to armament. Usually there's an exterior , and serious thread leading to that. Eliminating those threats, or fear , by educating or diplomatic conversations , in those countrys can (and it has) have a very positive effect. Its about changing mentalities instead of changing the governments , or imposing rules.

Those agreements have been made in the past. And worked. Russia, china, US, and several others have kept their part , and had a good role in the non proliferation and destruction of those weapons.

>Everybody knows that if you ban something that
>somebody will ignore the ban. Look at North Korea. >These people are beyond reason, and beyond political
>solutions.

Unless you find a good way to maintain the ban, its a "gentlemen agreement" to an extent.

North Korea activated their uranium program. But, neither me, nor the UN, have seen evidence that backs up the US's claim that they are developing nuclear weapons. It could be to power their several nuclear plants for all we know, and produce electricity. Doesnt mean they're not producing WMD, but you'll have to prove that to sustain a basis for another direct attack , in the securty council , if you want a joint task force. Just like you praise your judicial system, its innocent until proven guilty.

Just for a few more remarks, some US power companies had several agreements with the NK government to produce electricy and build several infrastructures, sponsored by NK . Those never came. And that left the NK in a very tight spot. So they powered up the nuclear plants. This is as much as i know about their power crisis.

If you say you're after them because they're one of the worlds biggest manufacturer and seller of missiles and weapons, then i'd understand, but the nuke issues are not very clear . Same goes for Iraq.

> The US doesn't make these weapons anymore

Wrong. They have a whole new batch ready. Its for the "safety" of the country.

>to severely punish those who use *

I want to see you try that. You cant use military might against those countrys for the precise reason that they have WMD. As long as things remain in the diplomatic field, they are contained, if you threaten them by force ... They'll just might go nuclear on you, well, because you put them between the sword and the wall. And thats something nobody wants. So it must be dealth with a diplomatic way and an agreement of non proliferation. Most of the civilized countrys have kept their part of the bargain. And we havent seen any real danger coming from WMD from 3rd world countrys or the middle east. The rest is based on assumtions.

>Any nation that cannot control their legal WMD

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, there's been alot of black market deals between several countrys to buy stolen nukes . Russian can't keep up with every nuke, and it has some severe consequences. However, flaming Russian wont do anything pratical. The dismantling of the nuclear arsenal is not as quick and painfull as some thought. Things are not that simple .
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