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Intersting how this thread turned into so much of a heated debate instead of a kind transmission of words.

There have been many wars faught in the name of Religion. But where these religions truly following what the bible teaches, were the religions true? If they faught in wars, hardly. The bible brings out that the wars we have to face is the wars between our wanting to do good and our flesh wanting to do whats bad, like perhaps having sex before marriage as the bible condemns yet many do it despite that fact and know it.

Evolution or Creation? Remember there is no hard evidence. The great debate of the past two centuries. Many people have never even questioned the fact that god created everything. Why is it so uncomprehendable that as the bible brings out a being of a "super abundant dynamic energy" can't create everything? Why if the bible brings out how god knows the names of every star, which are trillions upon trillions of stars, and he can't create more then one type of kind of animal per species? With apes and humans, we have a genetic trend of you want to see it that way with just about every animal living. So I am supposing many people believe that every ape is just waiting to be someone? Sounds completely absurd doesnt it.

The big bang theory. Another theory that hasnt been proven. But can be proven otherwise. Look at our cell structures for example, in order for us to live there are complex structures even within each cell that work harmoniously together. An atom, amazing, made up of the neutron, electron and proton. And even then its divided up I believe something like a lepton, then further if I have this correct into quarks, qirks, qurks(?). Such a small piece of the whole world, gathered together into this basic element for life, by chance? Hardly, an intelligent creator has to behind it.

With the chance of this world coming into existence and let alone life is a huge chance in possibility. I believe the percent was something like 1 in 1trillion trillion... and that was conservative, for life to exist via a big bang theory. Again, though, why is it so far fetched that God created humans and everything? Why do humans constantly not want to give got the respect he rightly deserves as our maker? Why do humans do everything possible not to recognize god as the one who they should look to for everything.

First we have to establish this fact in 1 Timothy "3:16 Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness. 3:17 That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work" and in 1 Peter "1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation. 1:21 For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit." The bible was written physically by man but inspired by god.

Remember the scripture "it does not belong to man even to direct his step"? Hasn't this been the case. For centuries humans have tried and tried to rule each other. Governements like the United States or Governements like the USSR. Each one is continueally failing at what it is striving to do. Have governements brought about true world peace? Stopped hunger, poverty disease? They might be able to for a little time but it just starts up all over again. Death is a big one. Why is it that people don't want to die? Is it the fact that God's Original purpose for us to live on the earth forever in perfect harmony with each other, with him and with creation around us is still inherit in us? Could it be still that a purpose is something that is unchanged, even if the surrounding things around us change, the purpose still remains the same. God hasn't changed, we have. So why should god's purpose change for us?

Then who will bring about true peace and security, no more wars, crime, violence, poverty, sickness, death? Jehovah god will. It states it clearly in many places in the bible test. In one passage it says "and he(meaning god) will wipe every tear from their eyes and death will be no more, neither will there be morning nor outcry nor pain be anymore, the former things have passed away." Concerning the "lord's prayer" or the "our father prayer", where it says "let thy kingdom come, let thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven", what exactly does that entail? In another verse in the bible it says how god will setup his kingdom, how it will crush all other kingdoms, and his is one that will never be brought to ruin, he will ruin those ruining the earth.

But what about us, where do we fit in? What will happen to us? Well the bible is very clear on that fact. Let's look at Psalms chapter "37:9 For evil-doers shall be cut off;
But those that wait for Jehovah, they shall inherit the land.
37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be:
Yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and he shall not be.
37:11 But the meek shall inherit the land,
And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."
Notice how the meek ones will inherit the land or the earth and will be happy. The evil ones will be cut off or destroyed. Then again in chapter "37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell therein for ever." So the righteous ones on earth now will inherit the earth an dwell forever upon it after Jehovah god destroys the wicked. Amazing huh, we get to live on the earth, but only if we meet gods requirements for us. That is to be meek and righteous, obviously there is more but I won't go into it. Ecclesiastes also brings out a good point "1:4 One generation goeth, and another generation cometh; but the earth abideth for ever." So the earth will remain forever, never be destroyed. And here is his purpose for the earth in Isaiah "45:18 For thus saith Jehovah that created the heavens, the God that formed the earth and made it, that established it and created it not a waste, that formed it to be inhabited: I am Jehovah; and there is none else."

Interesting eh? Well then who are going to heaven? Well the bible answers that too. In Revelation "5:9 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou was slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, 5:10 and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon earth. " So they are bought out of the peoples of the earth. IN "14:1 And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads. " There are 144,000 that have Jehovah's name symbolically written on their foreheads. Now when you write on something, that denotes its yours right? Same thing. He has chosen those that are going to heaven already. And the meek and righteous will forever be on the earth, since it won't be destroyed and also it coincides with god's purpose for us.

Amazing. Simply amazing. Jehovah god gives us the priviledge of living forever on the earth if only we do of what he asks of us to do.

Well this is it for now. I did read most of what people had posted. It was very long. Wish I came here sooner.