[cristoff]

Winewood, I am saying those that say they are saved right now arent really saved. They might think they are but they aren't. God's the only one that know's our heart condition. If we reject him then yes, we aren't. Since also in Jude 3 "3 Beloved ones, though I was making every effort to write YOU about the salvation we hold in common, I found it necessary to write YOU to exhort YOU to put up a hard fight for the faith that as once for all time delivered to the holy ones. "
Its a continual thing. We must always be striving to continue to learn more about Jehovah god and continue to have a relationship with him. It's vital to our spiritual health and well being and in the long run (and sometimes even now) our physical health.

And a word actually about hell.
First off the bible indicates what the dead experience. Ecclesiastes 9:5,10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all." All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going.”
If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain. And the word "Sheol,” AS, RS, NE, JB refers to “the grave,” KJ, Kx and “hell,” Dy or “the world of the dead,” TEV. ( these are differenct bible translations)

Many people have misconceptions that a person soul will come back from the dead to haunt them. This in fact is untrue. IN Ezek. 18:4: “The soul* that is sinning—it itself will die.” The “Soul,” KJ, Dy, RS, NE, Kx or “the man,” JB or “the person,” TEV.)
__This book read "“The concept of ‘soul,’ meaning a purely spiritual, immaterial reality, separate from the ‘body,’ does not exist in the Bible.”—La Parole de Dieu (Paris, 1960), Georges Auzou, professor of Sacred Scripture, Rouen Seminary, France, p. 128.
__And actually the Encyclopedia had this to say “Although the Hebrew word nefesh [in the Hebrew Scriptures] is frequently translated as ‘soul,’ it would be inaccurate to read into it a Greek meaning. Nefesh is never conceived of as operating separately from the body. In the New Testament the Greek word psyche is often translated as ‘soul’ but again should not be readily understood to have the meaning the word had for the Greek philosophers. It usually means ‘life,’ or ‘vitality,’ or, at times, ‘the self.’”—The Encyclopedia Americana (1977), Vol. 25, p. 236.

But who go to hell? exactly? Anyone that dies. Psalm 9:17, KJ: “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” We established that hell means place of death, the grave for mankind. So the wicked go to hell. What about anyone else? Oh yes even good people do too. Job did as brought out in Job 14:13, Duay Version, when job was praying: "Who will grant me this, that thou mayst protect me in hell, and hide me till thy wrath pass, and appoint me a time when thou wilt remember me?” Since God himself said that Job was “a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside from bad.”—Job 1:8. How could anyone rightly conclude that he was wicked? And even Jesus was in hell. We read at Acts 2:25-27, King James, David to Jesus: “David speaketh concerning him. Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” The fact that God did not “leave” Jesus in hell implies that Jesus was in hell, or Hades, at least for a time, does it not? And for what would god torment his son? Since the bible says "he has commited no sin."

So will there ever be a time when those in hell or the grave will get out? The bible read in Revelation 20:13,14, KJ: “The sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.” So the dead will be delivered from hell. Notice also that hell is not the same as the lake of fire but will be cast into the lake of fire. And this goes somewhat in line with what Winewood said about being judged.

But why so much confusion about hell? Well to put it bluntly, a mess up one some translators parts. The Encyclopedia Americana (1942), Vol. XIV, p. 81. has this to say “Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception.”
__Also translators have allowed their personal beliefs to color their work instead of being consistent in their rendering of the original-language words. See The King James Version rendered she’ohl´ as “hell,” “the grave,” and “the pit”; hai´des is therein rendered both “hell” and “grave”; ge´en·na is also translated “hell.” And Today’s English Version transliterates hai´des as “Hades” and also renders it as “hell” and “the world of the dead.” But besides rendering “hell” from hai´des it uses that same translation for ge´en·na. And another,The Jerusalem Bible transliterates hai´des six times, but in other passages it translates it as “hell” and as “the underworld.” It also translates ge´en·na as “hell,” as it does hai´des in two instances. Thus the exact meanings of the original-language words have been obscured.

And we must remember as Winewood was bringing out in Romans 6:23: “The wages sin pays is death.” And in the bible it says at Romans 6:7: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” So they won't be tormented for sins they have been acquitted of them. It would unloving for a god to punish someone when he himself has made their sings go away. And do you think that a parent who held his child’s hand over a fire to punish the child for wrongdoing? “God is love” in 1 John 4:8. Would he do what no right-minded human parent would do? Certainly not!

For rape, rape is defined as unlawful sexual intercourse without the woman’s consent, effected by force, duress, intimidation, or deception as to the nature of the act.

Jehovah warned of the consequences that would come upon Israel if the people disobeyed his law. He foretold that, besides suffering sicknesses and calamities, they would fall into the hands of their enemies, and he said: “You will become engaged to a woman, but another man will rape her.” (Deuteronomy 28:30) This took place when, because of their disobedience, Jehovah removed his protection from the nation, and the pagan enemies overran their citie. Babylon was also foretold to suffer such treatment, which occurred when it fell to the Medes and Persians in Isaiah 13:1,16. According to the Law, such would not happen to nations subjugated by Israel, for the soldiers were forbidden to have sexual relations during a military campaign as brought out in 1 Samuel 21:5 and 2 Samuel 11:6-11.

A case of multiple rape in the city of Gibeah of Benjamin in the days of the Judges set off a chain of events in retribution, which resulted in nearly wiping out the tribe of Benjamin. Good-for-nothing men in the city, perverted in sex desires, demanded to have sex relations with a Levite visitor. Instead of submitting, he gave them his concubine who had previously committed fornication against him. The men abused her all night until she died. The Hebrew term `a·nah´, rendered “rape” in this account, also has the meanings “afflict,” “humiliate,” and “oppress.”—Judges chapters 19,20.

King David’s son Amnon forcibly violated his half sister Tamar, for which Tamar’s brother Absalom brought about his death in 2 Samuel 13:1-18. When the scheming Haman the Agagite was exposed before the Persian king Ahasuerus for his treachery against the Jews, and especially against Ahasuerus’ queen, Esther, the king was enraged. Knowing that he could expect no mercy from the king, Haman in desperation fell down upon the couch where Esther was lying, pleading with her. When the king reentered the room, he saw Haman there and cried out: “Is there also to be a raping of the queen, with me in the house?” Immediately he sentenced Haman to death. The sentence was carried out, and evidently afterward Haman was hanged on the stake that had been erected by Haman for the hanging of Esther’s cousin Mordecai in Ester 7:1-10. In the record of the king’s statement, Ester 7:8, the Hebrew word ka·vash´ is used; it means “subdue, subject”, in Genesis 1:28; Jeremiah 34:16, but can also mean “rape.”

Under the Law, if an engaged girl committed fornication with another man, both she and the man were to be put to death. But if the girl screamed for help, this was taken as proof of her innocence. The man was put to death for his sin in which he forced her, and the girl was exonerated.—Deuteronomy 22:23-27.
So it is truly wrong in god's eyes.

Also, of course god understands a human perspective, for he made us. But also the bible says in 2 Pet 3 "9_Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance." And at the end of everything though, this will happen at it says in Ezekial 7 "And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 2_“And as for you, O son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said to the soil of Israel, ‘An end, the end, has come upon the four extremities of the land. 3_Now the end is upon you, and I must send my anger against you, and I will judge you according to your ways and bring upon you all your detestable things. 4_And my eye will not feel sorry for you, neither will I feel compassion, for upon you I shall bring your own ways, and in the midst of you your own detestable things will come to be; and YOU people will have to know that I am Jehovah.’"

Hope this helps to enlighten everyone according to bible fact.