[airspirit]

Everything you said is utter BS. There are always rumors in the cult/fundamentalist circuit that all this science is backing them up (the mormon church has a whole team of scientists that are out there to prove their ridiculous claims right and every few months they have a breakthrough ... until it is shown that they are full of crap, though that part isn't shared with the faithful cultists), and they are always without basis in fact, or in the most favorable situations (for you cultists), they are exaggerated to ridiculous proportions (isn't lying a sin? oh, but that only counts to those not in the cult). Try to verify the BS you hear from reputable sources before you make yourself look like an idiot. You're on a tech forum, not a forum about the Crystal Children and their psychic alien friends! We tend to be educated and above your lowbrow BS here.

Radiocarbon dating has not come under the type of scrutiny you're talking about. They found that certain things were off as much as 5-15% in some of the earliest measurements (in our time period) due to earlier inaccuracies in the method. What you're repeating is the propaganda they fed you. Good for you: you're a perfect little cultist. Oh, and reading the bible with a church mandated guidebook to interpret every word for you ISN'T independent bible study. Independent means you think on your own. Must I spell everything out for you, or must you insist on trying to obfuscate the truth (cultish behavior when threatened, check!).

If you want to understand why you are wrong from an exact, scientific, and absolutely irrefutable method, look at the speed of light. It is something that is measurable, right? We have done it many many times. This is not something that even the most insane can argue. You with me, or have I blown your underworked little peabrain yet?

Okay, now, count the amount of stars in the sky. Done yet? Oh, I'm sorry, but none of us have that much patience. We're talking billions. See the galaxies that are hundreds of light years across? Now, our sun is 8 light minutes approximately from the sun, IIRC. You feel how much heat we are getting from it? Imagine if all of those billions of stars were within 6000 light years from us (btw, the closest star is 4.2 light years away, IIRC). We would be in perpetual daylight on a charred rock. That is a lot of energy.

Okay, but I'll save you the armageddon imagery, since that isn't the point here (though by itself could be). We can measure the distance to stars through mathematics during different stages of our measurable orbit from the sun. You can measure the radius from the sun in light minutes, deriving our orbital diameter. From this you can solve the distance from various stars depending on their movement in the sky. This is a precise science that can NOT be refuted. In fact, the hubble telescope has seen imagery from billions of years ago. This is not science fiction. This is not satanic propaganda. This is fact. This is reason. This can NOT be faked. Take a look at the sky and behold the truth that the world is more than 6000 years old. The fact that you are not a chunk of cinder is evidence of it as well, but that is something that a good little cultist might want to argue. The fact that we can measure distance beyond 6000 light years is something that can not.

Oh, I'm sorry, Jehovah god must have put all this evidence contradicting his "ONE TRUE CHURCH [tm]'s" (cult alert) claims out there because he really doesn't like reasonable worshippers, and only wants those that will turn their logic centers off and blindly follow whatever the Watchtower Inc. will feed them. Yeah ... whatever dude. If god only wants to save the ignorant and brain dead, he can go fsck himself.