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Originally posted by bigben2k
Ok, since I wasn't clear, let me detail it:
You're at home, and you get the crave to build a waterblock, after going over whatever Forum.
You come up with an idea, and decide to give it a shot, so you build a prototype.
Then you show it in the forums, and pick up a few more tips, to improve it, which you want to try.
At this point, you really want to have some idea of how much better it's going to be, maybe because you might try a different design alltogether, later.
Using your logic, one would throw their hands up, and call it quits. Is that what you really want to see happen, Jaydee?
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WTF? Its one thing to show your block off which I am certainly in favor of, but it is another to say it beats blocks you don't even have (especially the best on the market). If you built the block and put it in your system you should have a pretty good idea how it works compared to whatever you had before. If you built another block or modified the current one and put it back in the system you should have a pretty good idea what the differences are from the original. We shouldn't need this spacific testing method for that. Would think it would be common sence, but I guess not eh? :shrug: This doesn't give you the right to try and compare other blocks to yours and expect people to buy into it. if he just gave results based on his block compared to HIS Maze 3 and showed a decent testing prcedure then all may have been ok. Non of which happened.
I don't understand your reasoning here Ben. You say this is provoked from the thread you linked and that we were flaming Tuff. Well let me make it perfectly clear why Tuff is getting his ass handed to him.
And this can be used as an example by the new guys as to what NOT to do.
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originally posted by Tuff
Have had the block up and running..so far 3 deg less than the 1st Gen MicroCup block...which would put in on par with a WW as the 2nd gen block gets 6 deg lower.
I am basing this assumption on the fact that Cathar has said that his WW was on average 5 deg less than the Maze 3. "If memory serves me right"
The first gen block was tested against a Maze 3 and scored on average 3 deg less.
I will hopefully be sending this block off to www.benchtest.com for some critique. But before that it will be put into another system to help varify results that I have found.
Tuff
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Ok, so now Tuff is using results from Cathars Maze 3 vrs. the WW testing and somehow magically thinking that his Maze 3 can somehow be used to compare results from Cathars?
Cathar pointed out his Maze 3 was properly lapped and shouldn't be used as a comparision with his own results, but Tuff seemed not to understand and simply thought that lapping his Maze 3 would somehow give more accurate results even though he doesn't have the SAME equipment Cathar used. I would have though it was made blatently obvious to Tuff that his whole concept there was not even remotely usefull or right. But I was dead wrong.
And let's move on:
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originally posted by Tuff
I have been told many times...remount the block 10 times...same day...same room temp...ect...Just get tired of hearing it.
Tuff
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Speaks for itself. Doesn't want to listen to anyone.
next:
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originally posted by Tuff
Sensor 1
6/9/2002;4:40:04 PM;2075 MHz;22°
6/9/2002;4:39:55 PM;2075 MHz;30°
6/9/2002;4:39:46 PM;2075 MHz;25°
6/9/2002;4:39:37 PM;2075 MHz;23°
6/9/2002;4:39:28 PM;2075 MHz;23°
6/9/2002;4:39:19 PM;2075 MHz;24°
6/9/2002;4:39:10 PM;2075 MHz;28°
6/9/2002;4:39:01 PM;2075 MHz;26°
6/9/2002;4:38:52 PM;2075 MHz;22°
6/9/2002;4:38:43 PM;2075 MHz;25°
6/9/2002;4:38:34 PM;2075 MHz;26°
6/9/2002;4:38:25 PM;2075 MHz;25°
6/9/2002;4:38:16 PM;2075 MHz;26°
6/9/2002;4:38:07 PM;2075 MHz;30°
6/9/2002;4:37:58 PM;2075 MHz;23°
6/9/2002;4:37:49 PM;2075 MHz;23°
6/9/2002;4:37:40 PM;2075 MHz;18°
6/9/2002;4:37:31 PM;2075 MHz;26°
6/9/2002;4:37:22 PM;2075 MHz;24°
6/9/2002;4:37:13 PM;2075 MHz;26°
average is 23-24 deg
Readings from MBM.
Tuff
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Posted this and somehow thinks this is acceptable? Is there no common sence?
And then this:
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originally posted by Tuff
Those are the temps that MBM reports....and gives an average at the end.
Its off the Diode which is able to respond very quickly to temp changes...if anyone out there thinks that a Cpu temp does not change and stays around the same number...you are fooling yourself.
Like I said the MBM is reporting an average temp...the sum of all divided by the amount of readings.
I could have easily posted the other temps off the monitors..that just sit idle and move back and forth by 1 deg...but I am assuming that is not accurate.
The only way to get an accurate temp is to get the original temp off the water...and find out the difference when it leaves the block.
Would it have been better for me to post that Asus Probe says 26 deg and just sits there???
Tuff
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Still under the impression that his testing is ok????
And next:
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originally posted by Tuff
Thats not accurate at all...The waterblock is there to MOVE Heat to the water..not control the temp of the cpu. The amount of heat that is removed is proportional to the Temp of the cpu.
Think of a dimmer switch on a light. We can limit the amount of light that is being used...therefore we have a lower temp. Once we turn the light on full...we get a higher temp.
Works the same with a Cpu...although the voltage is at a contstant...if we do not demand more usage from the cpu it will have a lower temp We increase the usage we get a higher temp.
The waterblock has NO IDEA how much heat is generated until it has to absorb it. But the DIODE does. The diode gives a more accurate reading than any other measuring device..that is supplied onboard. It is able to tell what is happening at an instant...while a normal thermometer will slowly raise and lower.
For this reason..the diode is used by the vendors for monitoring the heat. If the temp raised to high..the comp shuts down...if it was regulated by a thermometer...everyone would have a cooked cpu by now.
Tuff
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This is pretty much wrong and I pointed it out on the thread just to be told this:
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originally posted by Tuff
JayDee before you post...think.
thats all I have to say.
Tuff
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Instead of trying to tell me why he though I was wrong?
Yeah Ben, maybe I don't understand what he is trying to say. :shrug:
He doesn't seem to want to learn about testing or he could have just asked instead of telling people how wrong he thinks they are with nothing to back it up?
Testing is one thing but what Tuff is trying to pull is another.