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Unread 08-21-2003, 10:57 AM   #1
jaydee
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Direct Die Cooling Project.

As a couple of you may know I got banned because of a discussion that got out of hand about direct die cooling. One guy built a cooler and showed ridiculous numbers and then come to find out he had his rad in the window sucking in cold air and was testing with the onboard probes. And then tried to pass of his overclock as a means of how good the block is. As anyone here with any experience knows that is not the way to accurately test. I wouldn't have had a problem with it but he actually wrote an article about it and by some ridiculous means it got posted. Just shows the lack of quality a lot of sites have these days. When questioned they simply said decent testing is a waste of time and I am full of it blahh blahh blahh.

Well as the childish hot tempered person I am I got carried away and got myself banned for 5 days. During that 5 days my first thoughts were to hang it up. Being I seen these statements about me in a certain thread. i will not post a link as it is irrelevant where this was said. This is just one of the reasons that motivated me to do a direct die block and to return here:
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What an arrogant, condescending prick!
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Well the guy could just be a little miffed that some noobie to HIS forum comes along and totally blows away all his self made water blocks and anihilates his best overclock. After all he worked very hard copying all those designs. And spending copious amounts of cash in the process. And you come along with a block made out of inexpensive hose barbs and glue and make him look bad. Shame on you!!! Don't you know who he is Zenn? He is the cooling god. Beware his wrath.

Or he could just be an asshat.
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heh sounds like jealousy. i ageree he just cant stand the fact that you proved him wrong.
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Agreed...I do not like the fact he is intent on making this a ProForums/Pimprig fight when that is clearly not the case. It's a calm cool collected vs. asshat case. "I use type-K thermal couples because I clearly have WAY too much time on my hands and can't be trusted with a budget." I find it hilarious that he is a "forman" but can't spell it.
Yeah, they are all of $20 at WalMart.
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BA, it's useless to argue with such a prick. I know the kind. No matter what you say, no matter the proof, he is going to be a **** about it. If you leave the thread, he'll think he's won, but staying will prove only futile. It's a lose/lose situation. The biggest point he is missing: Regardless of temps, Zens cooler works. It doesn't leak. It allows good overclocks, so it HAS to be cooling efficiently. Such an awesome guy as JD should know that the higher the O/C, the more heat. This guy just makes me wann buttstroke his ass.

EDIT: I would like to see somebody build this diode reader, just so we can shut his ass up.
LOL
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...being the sometimes hot head that I am, I have decided to keep my posting here at home and it will be their misfortune if they don't want to see what really does work.. I have unsubscribed to that forum and I will not contribute to their post count anymore...Good advise BA.
I still think do0d is a technojaronist and an asshat with BB's for balls...And he still hasn't taken the zennzzo challenge cause the hundie is still in my hot hands
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well after reading that im all up for seeing how it plays out ,still to you zenn hats off you did something that has been running for 6 months now.but this cat keeps ranting and raving about how he can build it in 30 minutes ,but then again have not seen him do it,second hell some car manufactures dont even test cars for 6 months so your record is good here.im not even going to go through the time to post on that site of all the flaws that he has in his argument all i have to say to him is that with a attutidue like that he will allways be a follower not a leader and that is where his pride got hurt .he wasnt first
First? Leufkin was SELLIING direct die blocks 2 years ago!
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"I would like to see somebody build this diode reader, just so we can shut his ass up. " slider

It's really not that difficult if you want to spend the time and money to do it. I personally have a life. And would rather spend my money on other things. When all is said and done Slider. Any test of cpu to cpu temp will always be apples to oranges. IMHO its a complete waste of time and money trying for better accuracy than you can take with the average thermal probe. Accurate testing requires expensive equipment and a controlled environment. CPU die simulators such as Innovatek's or the one Bill Adams built are the way to go. Anyone want to spend more on testing equipment than their rig is worth?

While I find it amazing people actually come up with this stuff, I can't help but question why? We had somebody asking about water cooling that had just come from Pro Cooling Forums. He asked about water cooling and got handed a physics lesson. In frustration he came here. When someone asks what time it is, you don't tell him how to build a clock. You simply say, "5:07". And you certainly don't berate him. Kudos to the pioneers of this extreme thinking. But I could do without the hangers on who like to lord their knowledge of arcane techniques over others. It's just another way for the insecure to feel better about themselves by belittling others.

In this case JD was told the sky was blue.
"Is not."
"Is too, I can see it."
"Your testing procedures are inaccurate. From your longitude and latitude and the position of the sun and the moon, given the thermal refractance varient times pie are squared. The sky can't possibly be blue."

"But it is."
"LIAR, cheater!!! Breeder of goats!! The sky can't possibly be blue."
Blah blah blah. I was rather pissed off at this show of ignorance and sheer stupidity. But after a few days it dawned on me most of these guys are still air cooling and couldn't sharpen a pencil let alone design and build a block. Notice I made a statement saying I could build a Direct Die block in 30minutes. Well I lied. It took me 34 minutes. I figured I could give up and let the idiots win, or I could do it and put an end to this Direct Die mumbo jumbo. So I bring you:
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