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Originally posted by winewood
Very well stated man. I just get ticked off sometimes. I see so many roadblocks, but no one solution oriented.
If Bill has talked to you privately thats cool. Frankly I wouldn't know anything about that.
I want more than 3 people who can have access to some numbers or the ability to produce them.
(No slant on your efforts at all!)
I'm not really stating that we need 100% accurate measurements. I'm just wanting some measurements that are good enough to tell apple from orange with a higher reproduceable occurance to the average person. Right now the average person cant be served at all.
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Easy on Bill guys. I would expect nothing less than him pointing out the flaws in this and in ourselfs. That is pretty relevant to the thread even if it comes out sounding harsh. At least I thought so anyway.
Solution oriented? It isn't like we havn't been looking. We just are not finding one. I have pulled my hair out for a year now trying to think of a way. Just like everything else, quality costs. You get what you pay for. I bought a couple $20 TC with multimeters and I get that qulaity of results. It works for me sure, but that is pretty much where it ends. I don't think I would feel comfortable writing a review on my results. Although I think it would be considerably superior to some of the crap I see daily. Still doesn't make it right though.
Anyway...
Is there more than 3 people up to doing it? Problem I see is people get all gun ho about doing it and then they slowly start realizing how difficult it really is (myself included). Not only money and equipment wise but TIME and EFFORT wise.
Sure there are plenty of people out there that have no issue taking a quick 30minute test and using the onboard probe and writting a review of it. We see that shit every day and I think for the most part the members here are quick to pick up on the flaws. BUT what about the thousands that do not know any better that read those reviews and then make a purchase on it only to come to these forums and get told they been had?
I got banned arguing this very thing recently. This one site was hell bent and trying to prove you don't need anything better than the onboard probe and "we make our tests repeatable for our readers". As long as there are idiots like this running sites and posting reviews there really is no hope as they out number sites like this 100+ to 1. Hell just look at [H]. They been doing it that way how long now? And they are still one of the major sites there is.
All we can really do is improve what we can do on this site (and/or sites we are apart of) and hope it starts trickling over to others. Although I really do doubt it because it really takes more effort than most are up to doing.
I was more than ready to dump the money in a decent test bed with $300 magnetic flow meter, $300 Lab quality thermoprobes and logging station, $200 for a good variable power supply with qulaity gauges that have been calibrated, probably another good $50 to finish the die sim, pressure gauges, water temp controller (very expensive) etc...
I then started to add up all the TIME it would take to do a decent test on a block with this stuff or ANY stuff. That is pretty much what kicked my ass. It would be like working a second full time job. Time I decided would be better spent on other things (if I had the time in the first place).
Well I had a rough evening helping my brother move. Wore out and time for bed..
