[jaydee]

Alright, I didn't think I would have to do this on ProCooling, but being Player0 felt it in his best intrest to start a thread on his site slagging us here at procooling I will now backup why I will dismiss anything coming from Player0's review for the sake of his viewers that have been linked to this thread. http://www.liquidninjas.com/bbs/show...&threadid=6410

Originally posted by Player0
At 2250mhz on an XP2400+ at 1.85v, HE120.3 radiator, Eheim 1060 pump, Im getting about 37c with the Cascade and 36c with the RBX.

Compared to the Maze4 which runs 39-40c, the AquaJoe at 41c, MCW5002 at 42c, SlitEdge at 42c, ThermoChill at 40c, and whatever else I tested.

Cathar, in his testing, stated that the Cascade is 2C cooler than the White Water, and the White water IIRC was a 2-4C cooler than the Maze 3. We have about 4 reviews of the Maze 4 claiming is it as good as the Maze 3 or WORST.

Couple examples here and I seen at least 2 more.
http://www.wc101.com/reviews/Maze4/
http://www.rbmods.com/Articles/Dangerden/Maze4/2.php
Now for the Slit Edge review by BillA
http://www.overclockers.com/articles748/index02.asp
compared to the White Water review also done by BillA
http://www.overclockers.com/articles692/index02.asp
They are pretty close. Both of these blocks should beat out the Maze 4 easily.
Now one more,the Aqua Joe block.
http://www.overclockers.com/articles850/
According to this review from JoeC it is a better block than what Player0 makes it out to be and i take his work pretty seriously.
I also have a Maze 4 of my own and use it as a reference block against my own blocks. I have one block that beats it by 4C and I am very confident that block is NOT better than the White Water nor the Cascade. The design just shouldn't be that good in theory. My tests are considerably stricter than Player0's aswell. I test each block for 24hrs. Hell it takes 1-2hrs just for the water temps to stabilize. Can't just throw a block on for 30minutes and expect good results.
Quote from Cathar:

originally posted by Cathar
Straight away on the first remount I'm seeing a full 2.0C clear lead over the best result I had previously gotten with the White Water over 12 mounts of that block. This is using a T'Bred B at 2400MHz/1.85v running BurnK7. This is significant because it was my design goal to gain a full 2C, and secondly, it's just the first time I've mounted the block. History tells me that I rarely get it right first time, so there may be a little bit more hiding there as I remount to test again.

Which came from THIS THREAD which I recommend you ALL read.

On different flow settings and overclocks, the Cascade does a little better. The Cascade does a little better with restricted flow than the RBX, but Im using the #4 jet. Im sure I could adjust the RBX with the #2 jet, but it might reduce performance. The blocks are VERY similar though in performance. I beleive the Cascade is just slightly better performing though. I need to remount the block and run some more tests though, these RBX numbers are just prelim.

Just the RBX? What about the Maze 4 at 39-40C? Which is it? 39C or 40C? This is what my remark about "looks like an unorganized fool" was about. I didn't call him that by the way, i just said he looks like one from that statment and others he made on his own testing.

Also another reason I will not waste my time reading his stuff even if it is good:

Originally posted by Player0


Well, it was off to a good start. I have yet to see any proof about the claims you have of my numbers 'not adding up to anyone elses'.



*laughs* You're ridiculous man. Thats my home forum. I just wanted to show them the discussions happening over here about the RBX. I can't breath over here with out getting shit on.



You dont know me. I dont want to know you. You have no idea about what your talking about, and your opinion doesn't matter to me (and apparantly few others even here).


Beleive me, I get hammered enough on LiquidNinjas.com by idiots like you. I dont recall asking for support, just pointing people on my site to a hilariously outrageous thread over here.



Are you insane? Are you on lithium pills or what? Yeah, I'm just doing it for the glory. You dont have a clue as to what your talking about. I do it for fun, and I do have a hell of a busy life outside of this 'hobby'. I think you need to stop taking shit so serious and get a real frickin life. Seriously.



What you lack in overall knowledge more than makes up for my lack of any design information



Someone like you drills a couple holes in a piece of copper and call himself an expert. If I have no respect for designers, then why am I in contact with so many of them? Why have people taken my opinions and changed their block designs around the things I've found fault in? But, don't expect me to every respect someone like you. Some know-it-all who's all talk on these forums but can't back a damn thing up in real life. At least I have the guts to put my opinions out there. Never once have I claimed to know it all or have all the answers. Yet it never surprises me the amount of people living in glass houses who love to throw stones.



Nope, we just weed out the ignorant fools who have nothing better to do all day than come online and argue like some twitching retard [/b]

(http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...5&pagenumber=1)

And from the ninja thread about us idiots over here that do not know the truth:

Originally posted by Player0
Hmm. I guess so. Well, I wont try and persuade any idiots over there to beleive the truth. I just wanted to add my two cents in to an arguement filled with uneducated people who havent even SEEN the damn block

Not only has he called us idiots here at ProCooling, but he also called his own readers idiots from his own site. Also note the idiots are always the one's who question him. Interesting eh? he only seems to know his truth and if anyone questions that they are idiots.

This is the last I will say on the matter and if anyone wants to flame me then please do it in a PM and don't waste anyone's time here. I don't feel like I was flaming the guy this time even though I have done similar in the past. I just call it as I am seeing it.

(To the Admin of this site) No Joe, this is not a pissing match I am trying to start, they questioned who I am and what I had to say earlier in this thrtead and in the thread started over there. I am not calling anyone an idiot or a moron and I do not recall doing it in THIS thread, nore do I remember calling myself an expert designer and overclocker as they seem to think over there. Where all that comes from I don't know. I do know the people of this site know who I am and what I have done in the Water Block Design and Construction forum here. Unfortunatly only my recent works pictures are showing up as I switched domain names and the links are all wrong, but I am resetting up my website at www.customcomp.us this weekend which will have most of the work I have done over the last 3 years. Should be fully operational mid next week. I will attempt to update the url's of the things I posted here aswell.

Anyway carry on.