[Joe]

"Anyone can spend $$$ of dollars and hours and hours maticulously testing a waterblock. And they probably won't be able to tell someone any better than me which block to buy for their system. Most of the time, my results jive up with what most other people get as well."
Now I would reply over there but I dont want to waste teh time setting up an accuont so I am going to reply here:

Not a Flame - just cooling talk so dont go freaking out again -

Player, I am curious where you get that assessment that doing testing with less than a controlled environment or less than enough test sets that you get better data? You mean data that has numbers that are less exact but closer to what the mfg or the people get with mobo probes is better in some way?. I personally like to know how good something is in an absolute fashion, not just "well it runs about xx Deg"

The argument about "average joe" stuff has come and gone and has been used for close to the last 2 years of testing evolution. The simple fact is, the "average joe" is wrong. Data that’s more error ridden, uncontrolled, and un validated is never right.

Yes testing takes insane time, insane commitments, and insane costs, and really is the reason I don’t do it much anymore. pH has taken the torch and is producing data that is second to only a few other setups around. But testing takes time, shitloads of time, and as you said, no matter what you do people will bitch.

REAL accurate testing normally will provide a clear ID of which is "better", and which is worse. Not related in a "on your mobo" sense, but in an absolute sense of performance of the product not a test of your mounting skills, thermal paste, etc...

Now I have done a good deal of testing, got burned at the stake for some of it... most of it. While there were lessons to learn with every test I did, they all pointed at the same goal - repeatable and controlled results (which when I got deeper and saw how expensive it was turning, I couldn’t continue). Call us demanding, or "ego driven" folks, but the simple fact is, a good few of us have been though the review ringer, and most of this is talk from experience and previous grillings that we got. Your 'posse" over there will back you too no end, I think that’s very clear. Over here, most back good solid testing, and no bullshit reviews, not a just a person for the sake of it.

Now with that said, how can you tell me which block is the best in the market? just by how hot it runs your CPU on a given day, with a certain coolant, at a certain flow, which are mostly uncontrolled or undocumented errors in the equation.


Ok this maybe a flame - Freakout as needed-

"Im not TRYING to accomplish the most indepth, mathematically perfect review on the planet. Heh, you know, people assume that if you don't do something, you can't. It's a personal choice to use a PC as a test bed, because I want to pretend like I'm just any other guy buying a waterblock and installing it. Those other reviews have a place, its for the waterblock designers and the testing perfectionists. And that accounts for about 1% of the watercooling community."

Living in the world of make believe may be nice for some things, "reviews" of cooling products is not one of them. I think its an insult to the general cooling community to say that they don’t want accurate numbers.