Originally posted Blackeagle
And Winewood, the very reason Bill no longer tests for a range of companys & individuals isn't due to his being biased, it's due to his knowing many would have that perception, regardless what his findings were.
Blackeagle lets think about this for a minute in a different industry. Ok let take the car industry when was the last time you saw a G.M tester test a ford car and then publish an article on how well it performed? What’s that you haven’t? Bill was a neutral party a sort of car and driver magazine type. Now let’s say G.M bought car and driver do you think they would still be perceived as unbiased? Do you think others would regardless of what the magazine findings were?
Originally posted Blackeagle
The saddest part of your above post is that at the end, you show that YOU would do what you accuse Bill wrongly of. I think that yourself and JoeMac need to step back and reconsider what you are typing before you post some of it. It seems to me that what is coming ever more clear is that you both attack Bill for what you KNOW you'd be doing in his place, not for anything he's actually done.
Now I can’t talk for winewood but I only state what is obvious.
Originally posted Blackeagle
And while you claim Bill should be attacking Swiftech in public to keep his unbiased position in YOUR eyes, only a fool would do as you suggest. And Bill isn't a fool. Don't you think that some of the new items Swiftech is coming out with shows his influance? And I suspect his influance there started sometime prior to his being employed there. Look at the new MCW5002 block, note it's lowered top, for greater turbulence and water velocity. I seem to recall seeing a modded Swiftech block over a year ago that Bill did, and tested in one of his articles at OverClockers. Not a surprise Swiftech acted on the ideas put forward. And is not the 600 series pump, the very poster child for the sort of pump Bill has promoted for a long time now?
I agree only a fool would think that someone would remain unbiased when their company finances are at stake. You even make my point. “Don't you think that some of the new items Swiftech is coming out with shows his influance?” now don’t you think that swiftech would also influence bill?
Originally posted Blackeagle
One last thought for you Winewood and JoeMac, as you seem to have decided that it's time for the sh!t to hit the fan, you really should have noted that you were standing in front of the fan, prior to shoveling in sh!t.
Really? Did I ever question Bills goal to obtain accuracy? No. Did I question bills moral like he questioned mine? No. You must not realize that Bill tested a block for us and that we used his finding to make the aquajoe bock. Did his test improve our design? Yes. Does Bill question the performance of our block? Not that I have seen. What he does question is the way some results are obtained and so do I why? Way too many variables.
This is not a personal attack this is my response to the statement
“ I am an engineer, and the facts are the facts
I do not misrepresent, twist words, or shade meanings”
I presented a compelling argument that, while a person may be an engineer it does not necessarily mean that the facts are not twisted even though they may still be facts. It just so happened that Bill was the one that said (typed) that, had it been anyone else I would have presented him with the same argument.
Its nice to see that Bill is helping JoeC with his test bench. JoeC is from most ways of looking at this independent. Blackeagle I want the same thing that most in this hobby want –and- what could that be? A fair and accepted method of testing performed by independent sources. While you may think of me as just another manufacture the truth is that this is just a hobby for TKC and myself. Does this mean if you purchased a block from us that it will be of low quality? No. Does this mean that we want to sell something to a fellow hobbyist that does not perform? No. Do I own other blocks? Yes In fact I own 5 or 6 different blocks – why do you think I went off and had my own built. What happen is we went out caught the Big Boys attention and they try to pound us for it nothing more nothing less. Let me ask you have you been to
www.aquajoe.com have you noticed how low our prices are? Why are they so low? Because we want to push this hobby.Is it rewarding? Yes I would not do it if I did not enjoy pushing hardware to the limit.