[jaydee]

Originally posted by Ion
[b]Something I'd much rather discuss with you people, is this:

This case is sure to quiet, or to be on the safe side, more quiet than most other cases. The performance we do not know yet, but we can guess that it won't rock your world.

Ok, so if we don't know the performance how can we discuss how to make it better. For all we know it is perfect as is.

So, why don't we cut this shit and try to think of ways to improve it? I'll go first and then you can follow if you like to.

See last statment. All we will be doing is talking shit being we don't know anything about the performance of the thing. How can we talk about inproving it if we don't know how it works. it might not need improving.

From what I have learned, what's limiting the performance here should be:
(a. the transfer of heat from the source of heat to the side panels. Also, the side panels may be too warm to make the difference in temperatures big enough to produce good performance. That lead us in on;
(b. the heatsinks on the sides maybe aren't large or good enough.

How do you know whats limiting the performance if you don't know the performance in the first place?

I think you can see what I mean, though it might not be the 100% scientific truth. You are more than welcome to add or correct.

Can't add or correct being we don't know what the thing is capable of yet.

I can think of ways to deal with these problems:
(a. Improve on the transfer by using peltiers, watercooling (from heat source to side panels) or a compressor (same there).
The case could probably not handle peltiers, but what do I know. What I find interesting though would be a very silent compressor, the source of heat does not have to be -40 degrees celsius, +30 would be rather good compared to a lot of other cooling solutions. Using a waterpump could probably also provide a better and silent solution.
(b. The solutions above are written thinking that the side panels can actually handle the extra stress, perhaps they cannot, perhaps they can. A way to improve performance would be to increase the surface area of the heatsinks on the sides. Adding fans should work just as good of course, but remember the goal being a silent case.

First off do we even know if any mods are needed yet? No... Second doesn't adding fans, tecs and water cooling gear pretty much destroy any reason to buy this beast in the first place? All that stuff adds noise, which is NOT the reason to buy this expensive unit. I don;t think to many people are interested in spending a lot of cash on a case that promises silence only to have to drop another small fortune for noisy items to make the thing work well. But we don't even know if it works yet so who knows...

Now, I may be totally wrong, but I think that this is a good way of dealing with news.
If you prefer to discuss what I just wrote here instead of us having this endless battle, I'd be more than happy to learn more about the case, and hopefully we will be able to provide the people out there with a better review when we write one.
What do you say?

Skip the preview and to the review with performance numbers and then we can discuss the situation. :shrug:

Whats the point in specualting what may work better when we don't even know how it works to begine with.

But if specualtion is whats wanted then I don't understand how this company thinks they can make all these heat pipes work without some sort of fan. Even heat pipes need the heat removed. Natural convection isn't going to cut it. Fans will have to be added to make it work. As unregistered just pointed I think you will either have to run a undervolted and underclocked CPU or a Cyrix in order not to expect a melt down.

Also pH pointed out the mosfets and other parts that get extreamly warm on the mobo. Both my ABIT KD7 and ASUS A7V8X have 6 tiny mosfets that there is no way your getting a heat sink on being they are cramed in between caps and they are just to small. They are about the size of the black cap on the end of a ball point BIC pen. Also the mosfets on my two boards get over 60C while running stock. At least thats wht my DMM and thermal coupler tells me. The caps get about 10C over room temps as does some other things.

Maybe this is why they have been working on it for 6+ months and several revisions and NDA's to not say how the thing works.