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jaydee · 12-01-2003, 10:00 PM

I wasn't trying to argue your points against joemac. Just wasn't sure where all the numbers where coming from.

I have been trying to stay out of this thread as much as possible. Here is my view on all of this.

I don't think joemac is a scam artist so much. He does have a working product after all and it should work pretty well considering the success of similar pin based block. Where I see the problems coming from is some bold statements from joemac and some less than honest remarks on his website about this block. He says he has done his own testing to back his statements up yet refuses to post this information. Makes one believe he hasn't done any testing or is a flat out lier. Neither of which I believe but couldn't back him up even if I wanted to.

I think it is an insult to call an engineer biased though. A true engineer didn't spend all that time and money going to school just to wave a piece of paper around and say "look at me, I am an engineer, so my product must be leet". A true engineer is about making a better product or doing the best they can to design something they are assigned to design. Money comes second to truth. Thats where I see people like Bill A and pH. They are about getting to the bottom of things and finding the truth to the best of their abilities.

Bill A is not biased IMO. He works for Swiftech and yet showed JoeC a significant flaw in the test of the RBX in which gave Switech products a better "score". Now that Bill A pointed out the problem there is a good chance that RBX will beat out the current Swiftech products.

I ask you jomac, if you found such a flaw in a competitors block tests would you have pointed it out even if it meant that block would beat your own product out? Clearly not judging from the info on your website.

This is ProCooling after all. Salesmen are not usually welcomed here as BS is not tolerated much. That is the issue these people have with you joemac. You act more like a salesman pimping your block than a fellow member trying to cut the shit and figure out what works and what doesn't.

There are two ways to be a block seller. Either completely stay out of the forums and let reviews/users do the talking like D-Tek and Danger Den do, or go all out with extensive information about the product like Cathar does and Bill A will do if asked. Making bold statements with nothing to back it up isn't going to get you anywhere on this site. Might work fine at that place called nordic, but not here.

But what do I know, there are a couple threads on other sites dedicated to slagging my ass for my statements on this site.

12-01-2003, 10:00 PM	#116
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I wasn't trying to argue your points against joemac. Just wasn't sure where all the numbers where coming from. I have been trying to stay out of this thread as much as possible. Here is my view on all of this. I don't think joemac is a scam artist so much. He does have a working product after all and it should work pretty well considering the success of similar pin based block. Where I see the problems coming from is some bold statements from joemac and some less than honest remarks on his website about this block. He says he has done his own testing to back his statements up yet refuses to post this information. Makes one believe he hasn't done any testing or is a flat out lier. Neither of which I believe but couldn't back him up even if I wanted to. I think it is an insult to call an engineer biased though. A true engineer didn't spend all that time and money going to school just to wave a piece of paper around and say "look at me, I am an engineer, so my product must be leet". A true engineer is about making a better product or doing the best they can to design something they are assigned to design. Money comes second to truth. Thats where I see people like Bill A and pH. They are about getting to the bottom of things and finding the truth to the best of their abilities. Bill A is not biased IMO. He works for Swiftech and yet showed JoeC a significant flaw in the test of the RBX in which gave Switech products a better "score". Now that Bill A pointed out the problem there is a good chance that RBX will beat out the current Swiftech products. I ask you jomac, if you found such a flaw in a competitors block tests would you have pointed it out even if it meant that block would beat your own product out? Clearly not judging from the info on your website. This is ProCooling after all. Salesmen are not usually welcomed here as BS is not tolerated much. That is the issue these people have with you joemac. You act more like a salesman pimping your block than a fellow member trying to cut the shit and figure out what works and what doesn't. There are two ways to be a block seller. Either completely stay out of the forums and let reviews/users do the talking like D-Tek and Danger Den do, or go all out with extensive information about the product like Cathar does and Bill A will do if asked. Making bold statements with nothing to back it up isn't going to get you anywhere on this site. Might work fine at that place called nordic, but not here. But what do I know, there are a couple threads on other sites dedicated to slagging my ass for my statements on this site.