What pump do i need?

Uknown202 · 10-10-2005, 08:51 AM

Hi,

I just building a water cooling setup and stuck on what pump i need, i have read up things but don't exactly have the time to check out everything available. So i was wondering what pump would be the best for a:

Swiftech Storm G4 CPU Waterblock
DangerDen Maze4 GPU Waterblock
DangerDen Maze4 Chipset Waterblock
Black ICE pro III radiator
1/2" Tubing

And also what water Additives should i use. Is that Fluid XP+ any good? :shrug:

Thanks for your time

Uknown202 · 10-10-2005, 07:16 PM

Would this do MCP655™ 12 VDC Pump , or would i need a more powerful one, i think it's capable of doing just the G4 but i ain't sure about the the Chipset and GPU with the 3x120mm Fan Radiator

jaydee · 10-10-2005, 07:52 PM

That pump should do fine with all those blocks. The G4 is good block at all flow rates low and high.

Uknown202 · 10-10-2005, 08:34 PM

You Sure?

ok what about having the tubeing splitting off into the the different water blocks then joining up after and going thro the rad, would this be better than goin from the CPU,to the GPU to the Chipset block then to the rad? e.g.

1: Pump> Res> Splits too CPU/GPU/Chipset > Rad>Pump

2: Pump> Res>CPU>GPU>Chipset>Rad>Pump

Also would it be more restrictive in the first diagram?

And Fluid XP any good? or is there something else thats better?

jaydee · 10-10-2005, 08:46 PM

Run everything in series like #2. Fluid Xp should be fine. Just don't use clearflex tubing. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...ighlight=fluid

Long Haired Git · 10-10-2005, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uknown202

1: Pump> Res> Splits too CPU/GPU/Chipset > Rad>Pump

My approximating has shown that parallel paths are detrimental to CPU block performance until either the GPU path has more resistance than the CPU path, or both paths have resistance at least as much as the Storm G4 block.

So, for your bits, the majority of flow will be through the GPU block as its easier, and CPU block will get less flow and perform worse than if both were in series.

However, if you have a dual CPU rig and have a G4 on both, then parallel is better. Same can't be said for less restrictive blocks (eg: LRR White Water) where serial is still better overall.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uknown202

2: Pump> Res>CPU>GPU>Chipset>Rad>Pump

Don't put the reservoir between the pump and the CPU. It will be presurised and probably leak. Put it just before the pump inlet where it can be used to reduce net-pressure-suction-head.

jaydee · 10-10-2005, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Long Haired Git

Don't put the reservoir between the pump and the CPU. It will be presurised and probably leak. Put it just before the pump inlet where it can be used to reduce net-pressure-suction-head.

Yes indeed. Missed that.

Uknown202 · 10-11-2005, 03:11 PM

Ok thanks for all the help, i'll be on my way to get some bodging done sometime this week, i got my own metal case made, however there is 1 problem since my res is a CD Drivebay one will it do being like this:

Pump>CPU>GPU>Chipset>Res>Rad>Pump

Since it won't fit in the case i made

i got the wrong one

and decided to stick with it instead of sending it back. The case will sit on the top of my computer, much like those koolance ones (I think it's a Koolance i saw) so i will pipe it down the back of my case straight to the blocks, upto my Res and then back upto my rad and pump.

Thanks again, i will see how it goes and might post back if i get it goin ok

Long Haired Git · 10-11-2005, 11:58 PM

Putting the rad between the res and the pump won't be awful, but it is un-ideal. Keep the tubing between res and pump as nice (not restrictive) as you can.

Uknown202 · 10-16-2005, 05:34 PM

well it's done

, but bodged

. I rebuilt it into another more "Mod Freindly" case rather than me despised transparent case, (NEVER get one) since u have to remove the motherboard just to screw hard drives and CD drives in properly, which i had just recntly bought, if you don't mod it's ok but otherwise it is a nightmare. Anyways i rebuilt it into my new case and realised if i have my res in my case and my pump on top it will just be pumping air around

yes i never really thought about it since i had much on my mind and the res was meant to be next too my pump in the first place. So i had to modify my setup a hell of alot, due to the fact my chipset block wouldn't fit and my rad and fans wouldn't fit ontop of the case, since it was an inch to big (I have a shelf just above my case) so my Rads left a bit off the edge above my shelf with 3 x125CFM 40 dba fans running on it which sounds like a jet engine, seems like it's gonna take off any second. As for my pump, it's tightly packed into the bottom of my case, where it just fits nicely so my setup is now like this:

Pump>CPU>GPU>Rad>Res>

Just as you guys suggested and all works fine for now and i'm impressed with my temps (I dunno if there any good compared to yours) water temp is around 27.7 idle with 1 fan running on my rad and 25 CPU temp (Usin Motherboard Monitor) while playing games (Joint Operations) it was between 29-27 water temp and 27-25 cpu temp, which seems strange to me cause there disn't seem much of a difference with the 2 other fans running, maybe it just needed "wearing" in or something. But thanks for all your help,

Laters

btw i can keep you posted if you want more info

jaydee · 10-16-2005, 05:41 PM

Sounds like your temp monitoring hardware is all screwed up. CPU temps should be around 10C higher than water temp. CPU temps cannot be lower then the coolant temp.

Uknown202 · 10-16-2005, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaydee

Sounds like your temp monitoring hardware is all screwed up. CPU temps should be around 10C higher than water temp. CPU temps cannot be lower then the coolant temp.

Hmm it's using the motherboards on board sensor for the CPU got any better software other than M/B monitor?

jaydee · 10-16-2005, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uknown202

Hmm it's using the motherboards on board sensor for the CPU got any better software other than M/B monitor?

It is probably a hardware issue not software. The software just reads the hardware and spits out a number. SpeedFan seems to be a popular choice software wise these days.

Uknown202 · 10-16-2005, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaydee

It is probably a hardware issue not software. The software just reads the hardware and spits out a number. SpeedFan seems to be a popular choice software wise these days.

ahh i checked it on the BIOs and it was 36, 10 Degrees Higher

what u think?

jaydee · 10-16-2005, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uknown202

ahh i checked it on the BIOs and it was 36, 10 Degrees Higher

what u think?

That is odd. Maybe the software was not clibrated right. Try SpeedFan http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

10-10-2005, 08:51 AM	#1
Uknown202 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NOWEREE Posts: 8	What pump do i need? Hi, I just building a water cooling setup and stuck on what pump i need, i have read up things but don't exactly have the time to check out everything available. So i was wondering what pump would be the best for a: Swiftech Storm G4 CPU Waterblock DangerDen Maze4 GPU Waterblock DangerDen Maze4 Chipset Waterblock Black ICE pro III radiator 1/2" Tubing And also what water Additives should i use. Is that Fluid XP+ any good? :shrug: Thanks for your time

10-11-2005, 11:58 PM	#9
Long Haired Git Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sydney, Oz Posts: 336	Putting the rad between the res and the pump won't be awful, but it is un-ideal. Keep the tubing between res and pump as nice (not restrictive) as you can. __________________ Long Haired Git "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." (Prof. Gene Spafford) My Rig, in all its glory, can be seen best here AMD XP1600 @ 1530 Mhz \| Soyo Dragon + \| 256 Mb PC2700 DDRAM \| 2 x 40 Gb 7200rpm in Raid-0 \| Maze 2, eheim 1250, dual heater cores! \| Full specifications (PCDB)

10-10-2005, 07:16 PM	#2
Uknown202 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NOWEREE Posts: 8	Would this do MCP655™ 12 VDC Pump , or would i need a more powerful one, i think it's capable of doing just the G4 but i ain't sure about the the Chipset and GPU with the 3x120mm Fan Radiator

10-10-2005, 07:52 PM	#3
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	That pump should do fine with all those blocks. The G4 is good block at all flow rates low and high.

10-10-2005, 08:34 PM	#4
Uknown202 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NOWEREE Posts: 8	You Sure? ok what about having the tubeing splitting off into the the different water blocks then joining up after and going thro the rad, would this be better than goin from the CPU,to the GPU to the Chipset block then to the rad? e.g. 1: Pump> Res> Splits too CPU/GPU/Chipset > Rad>Pump 2: Pump> Res>CPU>GPU>Chipset>Rad>Pump Also would it be more restrictive in the first diagram? And Fluid XP any good? or is there something else thats better?

10-10-2005, 08:46 PM	#5
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Run everything in series like #2. Fluid Xp should be fine. Just don't use clearflex tubing. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...ighlight=fluid

10-11-2005, 03:11 PM	#8
Uknown202 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NOWEREE Posts: 8	Ok thanks for all the help, i'll be on my way to get some bodging done sometime this week, i got my own metal case made, however there is 1 problem since my res is a CD Drivebay one will it do being like this: Pump>CPU>GPU>Chipset>Res>Rad>Pump Since it won't fit in the case i made i got the wrong one and decided to stick with it instead of sending it back. The case will sit on the top of my computer, much like those koolance ones (I think it's a Koolance i saw) so i will pipe it down the back of my case straight to the blocks, upto my Res and then back upto my rad and pump. Thanks again, i will see how it goes and might post back if i get it goin ok

10-16-2005, 05:34 PM	#10
Uknown202 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NOWEREE Posts: 8	well it's done , but bodged . I rebuilt it into another more "Mod Freindly" case rather than me despised transparent case, (NEVER get one) since u have to remove the motherboard just to screw hard drives and CD drives in properly, which i had just recntly bought, if you don't mod it's ok but otherwise it is a nightmare. Anyways i rebuilt it into my new case and realised if i have my res in my case and my pump on top it will just be pumping air around yes i never really thought about it since i had much on my mind and the res was meant to be next too my pump in the first place. So i had to modify my setup a hell of alot, due to the fact my chipset block wouldn't fit and my rad and fans wouldn't fit ontop of the case, since it was an inch to big (I have a shelf just above my case) so my Rads left a bit off the edge above my shelf with 3 x125CFM 40 dba fans running on it which sounds like a jet engine, seems like it's gonna take off any second. As for my pump, it's tightly packed into the bottom of my case, where it just fits nicely so my setup is now like this: Pump>CPU>GPU>Rad>Res> Just as you guys suggested and all works fine for now and i'm impressed with my temps (I dunno if there any good compared to yours) water temp is around 27.7 idle with 1 fan running on my rad and 25 CPU temp (Usin Motherboard Monitor) while playing games (Joint Operations) it was between 29-27 water temp and 27-25 cpu temp, which seems strange to me cause there disn't seem much of a difference with the 2 other fans running, maybe it just needed "wearing" in or something. But thanks for all your help, Laters btw i can keep you posted if you want more info

10-16-2005, 05:41 PM	#11
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Sounds like your temp monitoring hardware is all screwed up. CPU temps should be around 10C higher than water temp. CPU temps cannot be lower then the coolant temp.

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