Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds...

Marci · 10-16-2006, 06:03 AM

Some unscrupulous toerags have started cloning the Laing DDC, and selling it AS the Laing DDC. Beware.

Genuine is on the left. Fake is on the right.

PDF from Laing GmbH showing differences with german descriptions can be found here: http://yohanng.free.fr/fausse%20laing.pdf

TerraMex · 10-16-2006, 11:27 AM

Good find Marci.
Never heard of it until today, but can't say i'm surprized.

Brians256 · 10-16-2006, 12:29 PM

Is this bad because Laing still has valid patents or just because no one should use the same design (ever)? I'm all for Laing making money for a while because of their great design, but I don't know when that should stop. I don't know how long the DDC has been out or how long patents last in US and/or Germany.

bigben2k · 10-16-2006, 08:42 PM

Wow, the differences are very subtle! Kinda hard to put it in one simple sentence. The third pair of pictures is the most obvious.

The design looks inferior to me (ceramic shaft, cheap impeller).

Always saddened to see things like this.

ricecrispi · 10-16-2006, 11:48 PM

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...php%3Fid%3D395

I is subtle but noticeable if you had a DDC in your hands. I don't mind knockoffs but when they are cheap it pisses me off.

Etacovda · 10-19-2006, 02:54 AM

subtle? i think its blatent actually, im surprised they didnt make it closer. I suppose going with substandard design means you have to change the dimensions to suit the internal parts.

ricecrispi · 10-19-2006, 04:02 PM

I don't see it as blatant because if it was it would be an exact copy to the delphi down to the logo to the indentations in the actual plastic frame and the height.

It is substandard and a cheap knockoff. Probably wouldn't cost much more producing an exact copy.

AngryAlpaca · 10-19-2006, 07:42 PM

Knockoffs, even shoddy knockoffs, are fine, but "selling it AS the Laing DDC" isn't. Selling it as a DC watercooling pump made by "Falschung" would be fine, in my opinion.

Brians256 · 10-20-2006, 12:24 PM

Good point, AngryAlpaca. You know that I wasn't paying attention because I didn't even see that part of Marci's post (apologies to Marci).

Fraud = bad

ricecrispi · 10-20-2006, 03:08 PM

Fraud = bad
It's true but in this world where there is financial motive to do such things, I understand why someone with a lack of ethics, intelligence, and simple ability to copy something correctly would do this. Fast $$. Obviously the person who deisgned it meant to rip off high end customers but in the end this thing will sell in amrket were $$ is most important.

You get what you pay for.

Cathar · 10-22-2006, 08:56 PM

Selling it as the Laing DDC is plain wrong.

Aside from that, I am curious though. Is it any quieter?

jaydee · 10-22-2006, 10:19 PM

Still blows me away people with the resources it takes to copy such a product don't just make their own. Even if the thing was not of the same quality they could just adjust the price and probably make good money legit.

All the things I could think of producing and selling if I had those resources.... Just no need to copy others and try selling as them.

Not only lack of ethics but just plain greedy.

ricecrispi · 10-23-2006, 02:27 AM

I agree jaydee. If you are going to build it then just make it look different and market it as your own.

Obviously they are so dumb they put the same 90 degree angle on the pump like the DDC without realizing its the biggest flaw of the pump. Without the bend it might perform on par with a DDC. I bet with that internal design it is louder than the DDC though, which is one of the DDC's great attributes.

10-16-2006, 06:03 AM	#1
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... Some unscrupulous toerags have started cloning the Laing DDC, and selling it AS the Laing DDC. Beware. Genuine is on the left. Fake is on the right. PDF from Laing GmbH showing differences with german descriptions can be found here: http://yohanng.free.fr/fausse%20laing.pdf __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

10-16-2006, 11:27 AM	#2
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... Good find Marci. Never heard of it until today, but can't say i'm surprized. __________________ "we need more cowbell."

10-16-2006, 12:29 PM	#3
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... Is this bad because Laing still has valid patents or just because no one should use the same design (ever)? I'm all for Laing making money for a while because of their great design, but I don't know when that should stop. I don't know how long the DDC has been out or how long patents last in US and/or Germany.

10-16-2006, 08:42 PM	#4
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... Wow, the differences are very subtle! Kinda hard to put it in one simple sentence. The third pair of pictures is the most obvious. The design looks inferior to me (ceramic shaft, cheap impeller). Always saddened to see things like this. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

10-16-2006, 11:48 PM	#5
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...php%3Fid%3D395 I is subtle but noticeable if you had a DDC in your hands. I don't mind knockoffs but when they are cheap it pisses me off.

10-19-2006, 02:54 AM	#6
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... subtle? i think its blatent actually, im surprised they didnt make it closer. I suppose going with substandard design means you have to change the dimensions to suit the internal parts. __________________ Hypocritical Signature I tried to delete: Procooling: where scientific principles are ignored because big corporations are immune to mistakes and oversights.

10-19-2006, 04:02 PM	#7
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... I don't see it as blatant because if it was it would be an exact copy to the delphi down to the logo to the indentations in the actual plastic frame and the height. It is substandard and a cheap knockoff. Probably wouldn't cost much more producing an exact copy.

10-19-2006, 07:42 PM	#8
AngryAlpaca Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 631	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... Knockoffs, even shoddy knockoffs, are fine, but "selling it AS the Laing DDC" isn't. Selling it as a DC watercooling pump made by "Falschung" would be fine, in my opinion.

10-20-2006, 12:24 PM	#9
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... Good point, AngryAlpaca. You know that I wasn't paying attention because I didn't even see that part of Marci's post (apologies to Marci). Fraud = bad

10-20-2006, 03:08 PM	#10
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... Fraud = bad It's true but in this world where there is financial motive to do such things, I understand why someone with a lack of ethics, intelligence, and simple ability to copy something correctly would do this. Fast $$. Obviously the person who deisgned it meant to rip off high end customers but in the end this thing will sell in amrket were $$ is most important. You get what you pay for.

10-22-2006, 08:56 PM	#11
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... Selling it as the Laing DDC is plain wrong. Aside from that, I am curious though. Is it any quieter?

10-22-2006, 10:19 PM	#12
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... Still blows me away people with the resources it takes to copy such a product don't just make their own. Even if the thing was not of the same quality they could just adjust the price and probably make good money legit. All the things I could think of producing and selling if I had those resources.... Just no need to copy others and try selling as them. Not only lack of ethics but just plain greedy.

10-23-2006, 02:27 AM	#13
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: Fake Laing DDCs doing the rounds... I agree jaydee. If you are going to build it then just make it look different and market it as your own. Obviously they are so dumb they put the same 90 degree angle on the pump like the DDC without realizing its the biggest flaw of the pump. Without the bend it might perform on par with a DDC. I bet with that internal design it is louder than the DDC though, which is one of the DDC's great attributes.

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