Zern SA S War Lord - Dual Peltier

killersushi · 02-02-2002, 07:39 AM

I was wondering what you guys think about this waterblock. It can take 2 pelts in serie. Does it make sense at all? What do you think about stacking pelts in general?

Butcher · 02-02-2002, 08:27 AM

Looks quite well made, pity the concept is flawed. Peltier stacking doesn't work well - the power involved in watercooling means you need far too much power on the top layer of the stack. You almost always get better results with a single large peltier. The only exception I can think of is with a p3 or similar low power chip.

Brad · 02-02-2002, 02:46 PM

the only way that would work is if you had a 220w pelt on the top, and a 72w or 80w pelt in the middle, then a 30w cpu at the bottom

killersushi · 02-02-2002, 04:18 PM

Thanks for your opinions. I'm an avid overclocker but I'm new to the peltier kind of thing, yet I'm very interested and take all the information for granted.

My cpu will be putting out around 90-100W if I'm right about that, so either way this setup would not serve me very well then I guess.

Now for a dual-peltier setup side by side, like maybe with a maze 2-2, how will that affect cooling compared to a single pelt?

Butcher · 02-02-2002, 08:06 PM

Two side by side is about twice as effective as a single peltier.

Brad · 02-03-2002, 01:59 AM

a 100w cpu will mean your pelt options are limited to a 220w, or dual 120w, dual 156w, dual 172w, dual 220w.

of course you will need a 15v @ 50a power supply for the dual 220w's, which is hard to come by, which is why I wouldn't recommend you go for anything that large.

Butcher · 02-03-2002, 05:07 AM

Also some sort of crazy huge waterblock for dual 220

killersushi · 02-03-2002, 05:54 AM

I wouldn't go for dual 220W, but I was thinking of maybe dual 156W or so. I've found a great switchting psu already, it can be adjusted from 0-15V and puts out clean and continous 40A.

Ok thanks guys

futRtrubL · 02-03-2002, 10:32 AM

Can you give us a link for that power supply killersushi?

Edward

killersushi · 02-03-2002, 01:22 PM

Sure. Now this is a company that I found in the country I live, Switzerland. So you won't be able to order there, but this is a psu that you might find elsewhere.

http://www.elv.ch/Shopping/ArtikelDe...T%2DNE&Stufe=2

A pic of it:

It's not even that expensive. About 150$.

Brad · 02-03-2002, 05:03 PM

is Switzerland AC power in the 220v - 240v range, or is it in the 110 - 120v range?

I'm asking this cause in NZ we are 240v, and one of those looks quite nice....

killersushi · 02-03-2002, 05:07 PM

That's correct. This unit runs at 230V. Maybe you do a search on sps 9400 or something, it should be available everywhere. The radio transmission guys use this kind of power supplies I think.

02-02-2002, 07:39 AM	#1
killersushi Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 11	Zern SA S War Lord - Dual Peltier I was wondering what you guys think about this waterblock. It can take 2 pelts in serie. Does it make sense at all? What do you think about stacking pelts in general? __________________ Athlon XP 1800+ unlocked - 1533@1750 (10 x 175) - Vcore 2.1V Epox 8KHA+ - 2 x 256MB Crucial PC2100 - 2-2-2-6-1 - VDIMM 3.3V - TT heatspreaders - Papst fan CS-601 bl - CWT 375W - 4 Y.S.Tech Fans Power - Alpha PAL 8045 Power Hercules Prophet III Geforce3 Ti500 @270/596 - Alpha PAL 153U - GlobalWIN CBF 32 2 x IBM IC35L040 41.1 GB ATA-100 on Promise FastTrak100TX2 Raid Controller (Mode 0) HP CD-Writer 9300 8x- LiteOn CDROM 52x 3DMark2001: http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?2759056 Pics: http://www.killersushi.ch/fotos_home/index.html

02-02-2002, 08:27 AM	#2
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	Looks quite well made, pity the concept is flawed. Peltier stacking doesn't work well - the power involved in watercooling means you need far too much power on the top layer of the stack. You almost always get better results with a single large peltier. The only exception I can think of is with a p3 or similar low power chip. __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

02-02-2002, 02:46 PM	#3
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	the only way that would work is if you had a 220w pelt on the top, and a 72w or 80w pelt in the middle, then a 30w cpu at the bottom __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-02-2002, 04:18 PM	#4
killersushi Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 11	Thanks for your opinions. I'm an avid overclocker but I'm new to the peltier kind of thing, yet I'm very interested and take all the information for granted. My cpu will be putting out around 90-100W if I'm right about that, so either way this setup would not serve me very well then I guess. Now for a dual-peltier setup side by side, like maybe with a maze 2-2, how will that affect cooling compared to a single pelt? __________________ Athlon XP 1800+ unlocked - 1533@1750 (10 x 175) - Vcore 2.1V Epox 8KHA+ - 2 x 256MB Crucial PC2100 - 2-2-2-6-1 - VDIMM 3.3V - TT heatspreaders - Papst fan CS-601 bl - CWT 375W - 4 Y.S.Tech Fans Power - Alpha PAL 8045 Power Hercules Prophet III Geforce3 Ti500 @270/596 - Alpha PAL 153U - GlobalWIN CBF 32 2 x IBM IC35L040 41.1 GB ATA-100 on Promise FastTrak100TX2 Raid Controller (Mode 0) HP CD-Writer 9300 8x- LiteOn CDROM 52x 3DMark2001: http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?2759056 Pics: http://www.killersushi.ch/fotos_home/index.html

02-02-2002, 08:06 PM	#5
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	Two side by side is about twice as effective as a single peltier. __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

02-03-2002, 01:59 AM	#6
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	a 100w cpu will mean your pelt options are limited to a 220w, or dual 120w, dual 156w, dual 172w, dual 220w. of course you will need a 15v @ 50a power supply for the dual 220w's, which is hard to come by, which is why I wouldn't recommend you go for anything that large. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-03-2002, 05:07 AM	#7
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	Also some sort of crazy huge waterblock for dual 220 __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

02-03-2002, 05:54 AM	#8
killersushi Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 11	I wouldn't go for dual 220W, but I was thinking of maybe dual 156W or so. I've found a great switchting psu already, it can be adjusted from 0-15V and puts out clean and continous 40A. Ok thanks guys __________________ Athlon XP 1800+ unlocked - 1533@1750 (10 x 175) - Vcore 2.1V Epox 8KHA+ - 2 x 256MB Crucial PC2100 - 2-2-2-6-1 - VDIMM 3.3V - TT heatspreaders - Papst fan CS-601 bl - CWT 375W - 4 Y.S.Tech Fans Power - Alpha PAL 8045 Power Hercules Prophet III Geforce3 Ti500 @270/596 - Alpha PAL 153U - GlobalWIN CBF 32 2 x IBM IC35L040 41.1 GB ATA-100 on Promise FastTrak100TX2 Raid Controller (Mode 0) HP CD-Writer 9300 8x- LiteOn CDROM 52x 3DMark2001: http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?2759056 Pics: http://www.killersushi.ch/fotos_home/index.html

02-03-2002, 10:32 AM	#9
futRtrubL Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Posts: 204	Can you give us a link for that power supply killersushi? Edward

02-03-2002, 01:22 PM	#10
killersushi Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 11	Sure. Now this is a company that I found in the country I live, Switzerland. So you won't be able to order there, but this is a psu that you might find elsewhere. http://www.elv.ch/Shopping/ArtikelDe...T%2DNE&Stufe=2 A pic of it: It's not even that expensive. About 150$. __________________ Athlon XP 1800+ unlocked - 1533@1750 (10 x 175) - Vcore 2.1V Epox 8KHA+ - 2 x 256MB Crucial PC2100 - 2-2-2-6-1 - VDIMM 3.3V - TT heatspreaders - Papst fan CS-601 bl - CWT 375W - 4 Y.S.Tech Fans Power - Alpha PAL 8045 Power Hercules Prophet III Geforce3 Ti500 @270/596 - Alpha PAL 153U - GlobalWIN CBF 32 2 x IBM IC35L040 41.1 GB ATA-100 on Promise FastTrak100TX2 Raid Controller (Mode 0) HP CD-Writer 9300 8x- LiteOn CDROM 52x 3DMark2001: http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?2759056 Pics: http://www.killersushi.ch/fotos_home/index.html

02-03-2002, 05:03 PM	#11
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	is Switzerland AC power in the 220v - 240v range, or is it in the 110 - 120v range? I'm asking this cause in NZ we are 240v, and one of those looks quite nice.... __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-03-2002, 05:07 PM	#12
killersushi Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 11	That's correct. This unit runs at 230V. Maybe you do a search on sps 9400 or something, it should be available everywhere. The radio transmission guys use this kind of power supplies I think. __________________ Athlon XP 1800+ unlocked - 1533@1750 (10 x 175) - Vcore 2.1V Epox 8KHA+ - 2 x 256MB Crucial PC2100 - 2-2-2-6-1 - VDIMM 3.3V - TT heatspreaders - Papst fan CS-601 bl - CWT 375W - 4 Y.S.Tech Fans Power - Alpha PAL 8045 Power Hercules Prophet III Geforce3 Ti500 @270/596 - Alpha PAL 153U - GlobalWIN CBF 32 2 x IBM IC35L040 41.1 GB ATA-100 on Promise FastTrak100TX2 Raid Controller (Mode 0) HP CD-Writer 9300 8x- LiteOn CDROM 52x 3DMark2001: http://gamershq.madonion.com/compare2k1.shtml?2759056 Pics: http://www.killersushi.ch/fotos_home/index.html Last edited by killersushi; 02-03-2002 at 05:10 PM.

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