New to Water Cooling. First Rig.

VIPERMAN · 06-13-2002, 06:22 AM

Hi everybody. I really like these forms. You guy's have some good info. I have learned alot in the past week. Just thought I would
let yall see what I havebeen doing. Here is a few pics of my Wc setup. I should have it running this weekend. If everything goes well. Just got my MO and ram this week. Asus A7V333 and XMS3000. I am useing blocks from Dtec. The Spir@l and the first geforce block that Danny made. They both flow very well. On the Spri@l block I got Danny to put on a copper top. I am just going on and on. I am getting very excited about getting this rig going. If yall see anything I am doing wrong. Let me know.

Thanks in advance for any help.

V

[dannzig] · 06-13-2002, 08:05 AM

looking really really nice !

the radiators you use looks great an probably will perform that way to. im looking to build a similar setup as soon as i get myself the economy to do it.

Gnozo · 06-13-2002, 11:02 AM

Hell yeah it look's good. That's quite nice

But why dual radiators? Don't you think that one is enough?

bigben2k · 06-13-2002, 11:08 AM

Nothing wrong with dual rads, I'm thinking about it myself!

It looks very nice. I like the way the 2 rads fit.

How about mounting the top rad upside down, to limit the length of the tubing, and to avoid routing a tube all around the duct?

Are you fixing to use the rads in parallel? What pump are you going to use?

UpAllNight · 06-13-2002, 11:21 AM

looks nice dude

i was thinking about a 2 rad setup for my next case and 2 pumps
seprating my gpu and chipset blocks off from my cpu

pump and rad for cpu

seprate pump and rad for gpu and chipset

infact i was thinking about the using the very case u have...looks like everything fits very nice

WebMasta33 · 06-13-2002, 11:32 AM

Very nice man, I like it alot.

VIPERMAN · 06-13-2002, 12:10 PM

I am going to use a Danner 500gph. Also out of the pump I am useing a 5/8" Y fitting. Each one will go to rads then one to cpu and the other to geforce block. Then out of both blocks to another
Y fitting to res. Then back to pump. I just mounted my pump relay
behind hard drive mount. Also I havebeen thinking about putting a 90 deg on bottom rad also and push hot air out the bottom. I think I have enough room for air to get out when I install the wheels on the case. Still got alot of work to do and so little time.
I just have to make time. Can't stand it much longer.

Thanks everybody,

V

Also I will post some more pics later!!!!

chazz469 · 06-13-2002, 02:48 PM

I can't quite picture the hose configuration....do you have a design (drawing, bitmap, etc.)? Are you planning to run the RADs in serial or parallel?

Also, I like that case. I think that it's the same one that I have. Does the mobo tray slide out? Good use of the space though.

VIPERMAN · 06-13-2002, 05:36 PM

This is not the best drawing.
No it doesn't have a slide out tray. I wish it did.

chazz469 · 06-13-2002, 06:08 PM

OK....gotcha now. But I have a suggestion.....

Try this...

I don't think that the GPU would put out so much heat that it would "contaminate" the coolant for your CPU, plus it's going to the next RAD, so you shoul be good to go. Plus, I think that it will give you a little neater setup, and may even be cooler. The flow rate with that pump might be a problem, though. But maybe not. Just a thought.

imatation · 06-13-2002, 07:07 PM

That setup looks awesome! Thats a great idea with the two rads, ive never thought of that before. How is that case, does it look good, or awkward and too big. I am getting the smaller version but after seeing that i might reconsider.

VIPERMAN · 06-13-2002, 07:30 PM

It's a very tall case. 27" but it has alot of room for my setup. I wanted to get a server case so I could put water on one side and all the computer stuff on the other. Those server case I was looking at where to expensive. I only payed 60 bucks for this Cheiftech with 400 watt antec. O by the way this case is heavy.
When I get everything inside I better have the wheels on. That's gonna make it 28-1/2" tall. It will just fit under my desk. With about a 1/2" to spare.

Brad · 06-14-2002, 05:36 AM

wow, nice plans man!

One suggestion, why go all the way up from the gpu to the rad, then back down to the cpu, then back up to the pump? It might be an idea to just go gpu - cpu - rad - pump

VIPERMAN · 06-14-2002, 06:33 AM

I don't think that the GPU would put out so much heat that it would "contaminate" the coolant for your CPU, plus it's going to the next RAD, so you shoul be good to go. Plus, I think that it will give you a little neater setup, and may even be cooler. The flow rate with that pump might be a problem, though. But maybe not. Just a thought. [/b][/quote]

Thanks. That's a great idea. I will try it this weekend and some other ways also. I want to get the best flow I can and still have a clean look. I have got alot of work to do. I worked on it last night. Got my pump wired in. I am going to put my new hardware together tonight to get everything up and running before I install in the WC rig. So when I fire up the first time. It will have ready to rock.

Saturday is all water flow testing and setup. I am trying to borrow a flow meter but if I can't I will just use the one gl flow test. Have yall tried timing for flow? (500gph is 8.3gpm is .14gbs.)
I used this to flow just the pump at one foot and got 450gph. Not to bad for a mag drive. Then I flowed the blocks at one foot and got about 164gph. Well hell got to work. That sucks. I think I am getting sick Boss. Need to go home. Cough,Cough!!

bigben2k · 06-14-2002, 10:26 AM

You'll get better performance from your original idea of running the rads in parallel.

The flow rate drop is normal. 164 is very nice. Avoid elbows at all costs.

VIPERMAN · 06-14-2002, 11:42 AM

I wish I could get that kinda flow out of the complete system with rads and everything else. I will see saturday morning.

chazz469 · 06-14-2002, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
wow, nice plans man!

One suggestion, why go all the way up from the gpu to the rad, then back down to the cpu, then back up to the pump? It might be an idea to just go gpu - cpu - rad - pump

When/where does his 2nd rad come into play with your suggestion?

chazz469 · 06-14-2002, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
You'll get better performance from your original idea of running the rads in parallel.

The flow rate drop is normal. 164 is very nice. Avoid elbows at all costs.

How? I've heard that running rads in parallel can give better performance, but I've also heard that it depends on how you have it set up. I think that this application would come out better in serial.

And I was suggesting that 500GPH might be too fast to be truly effective. From what I've read best performance comes from about half that (depending on the rig). N'est-ce pas?

bigben2k · 06-14-2002, 02:37 PM

Well, it's simple really: the waterblock benefits from a higher flow rate, as it keeps the block as close to the water temp as possible.

The rad benefits from a lower flow rate, because the longer the hot water is in the rad, the longer it can be cooled.

So if you run your rads in parallel, then you've just reduced your flow rate by half, for each rad, therefore improving the cooling.

...BUT...

because you're using rads in parallel, there is a little bit less resistance to waterflow, so your overall flow rate will increase, just a little bit, but that's ok, because it's still 50-50% for the rads, plus the waterblock likes it. It's overall better, any way you look at it.

Ca c'est sur!

chazz469 · 06-14-2002, 03:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by bigben2k
Well, it's simple really: the waterblock benefits from a higher flow rate, as it keeps the block as close to the water temp as possible.[quote]

But if the flow rate is too fast, does the block have enough time to transfer the heat to the water?

Quote:

because you're using rads in parallel, there is a little bit less resistance to waterflow, so your overall flow rate will increase, just a little bit, but that's ok, because it's still 50-50% for the rads, plus the waterblock likes it. It's overall better, any way you look at it.

So what if he split the line to go to the rads, then reunited them for the blocks?

bigben2k · 06-14-2002, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chazz469

So what if he split the line to go to the rads, then reunited them for the blocks?

That's parallel.

The flow rate through a water block is never too fast, unless it creates too much pressure. There is a point though where the increased flow rate does not bring much benefit, so it becomes an issue of cost.

Most people here achieve an effective flow rate somewhere between 50 and 150 gph.

chazz469 · 06-14-2002, 03:45 PM

Like this....

bigben2k · 06-14-2002, 03:50 PM

That's it!

chazz469 · 06-14-2002, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k

That's parallel.

I understand that. I wasn't discrediting running them in parallel. I can see the validity of your point, and was trying to capitalize on what you were saying. Splitting the line for the rads would decrease the flow, then reuniting them should increase it again through the WBs.

bigben2k · 06-14-2002, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chazz469

I understand that. I wasn't discrediting running them in parallel. I can see the validity of your point, and was trying to capitalize on what you were saying. Splitting the line for the rads would decrease the flow, then reuniting them should increase it again through the WBs.

That's it.

06-13-2002, 06:22 AM	#1
VIPERMAN Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 27	First Rig.Temps Hi everybody. I really like these forms. You guy's have some good info. I have learned alot in the past week. Just thought I would let yall see what I havebeen doing. Here is a few pics of my Wc setup. I should have it running this weekend. If everything goes well. Just got my MO and ram this week. Asus A7V333 and XMS3000. I am useing blocks from Dtec. The Spir@l and the first geforce block that Danny made. They both flow very well. On the Spri@l block I got Danny to put on a copper top. I am just going on and on. I am getting very excited about getting this rig going. If yall see anything I am doing wrong. Let me know. Thanks in advance for any help. V Last edited by VIPERMAN; 07-24-2002 at 06:21 AM.

06-13-2002, 08:05 AM	#2
[dannzig] Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 98	looking really really nice ! the radiators you use looks great an probably will perform that way to. im looking to build a similar setup as soon as i get myself the economy to do it. __________________ \|father of ebba - www.ebba.da.ru\| at7max/d700/256/80/ti4200

06-13-2002, 11:02 AM	#3
Gnozo Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 105	Hell yeah it look's good. That's quite nice But why dual radiators? Don't you think that one is enough? __________________ AMD XP1700+ @ JIUHB 12 x 202 Epox 8RDA+ Samsung PC2700 512mb Asus V8420 TI4200 Eheim 1048 - Maze1 - AirPlex EVO240 - Lian Li PC-61

06-13-2002, 11:08 AM	#4
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Nothing wrong with dual rads, I'm thinking about it myself! It looks very nice. I like the way the 2 rads fit. How about mounting the top rad upside down, to limit the length of the tubing, and to avoid routing a tube all around the duct? Are you fixing to use the rads in parallel? What pump are you going to use? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-13-2002, 11:21 AM	#5
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	looks nice dude i was thinking about a 2 rad setup for my next case and 2 pumps seprating my gpu and chipset blocks off from my cpu pump and rad for cpu seprate pump and rad for gpu and chipset infact i was thinking about the using the very case u have...looks like everything fits very nice __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

06-13-2002, 11:32 AM	#6
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	Very nice man, I like it alot. __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 ===========

06-13-2002, 12:10 PM	#7
VIPERMAN Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 27	I am going to use a Danner 500gph. Also out of the pump I am useing a 5/8" Y fitting. Each one will go to rads then one to cpu and the other to geforce block. Then out of both blocks to another Y fitting to res. Then back to pump. I just mounted my pump relay behind hard drive mount. Also I havebeen thinking about putting a 90 deg on bottom rad also and push hot air out the bottom. I think I have enough room for air to get out when I install the wheels on the case. Still got alot of work to do and so little time. I just have to make time. Can't stand it much longer. Thanks everybody, V Also I will post some more pics later!!!!

06-13-2002, 02:48 PM	#8
chazz469 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 150	I can't quite picture the hose configuration....do you have a design (drawing, bitmap, etc.)? Are you planning to run the RADs in serial or parallel? Also, I like that case. I think that it's the same one that I have. Does the mobo tray slide out? Good use of the space though. __________________ "I believe that the moment is near when by a procedure of active paranoiac thought, it will be possible to systematize confusion to the total discrediting of the world of reality" -Salvador Dali AMD XP1600+ @1790MHz and rethinking my cooling.... MAZE3 --> DD Cooler Cube --> Eheim 1048 512MB PC2700 DDR MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU 2x 20GB Maxtor in RAID 0 1x 30GB Maxtor --> WinXP GF3 Ti200 @ 240/499

06-13-2002, 05:36 PM	#9
VIPERMAN Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 27	Drawing This is not the best drawing. No it doesn't have a slide out tray. I wish it did.

06-13-2002, 06:08 PM	#10
chazz469 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 150	OK....gotcha now. But I have a suggestion..... Try this... I don't think that the GPU would put out so much heat that it would "contaminate" the coolant for your CPU, plus it's going to the next RAD, so you shoul be good to go. Plus, I think that it will give you a little neater setup, and may even be cooler. The flow rate with that pump might be a problem, though. But maybe not. Just a thought. __________________ "I believe that the moment is near when by a procedure of active paranoiac thought, it will be possible to systematize confusion to the total discrediting of the world of reality" -Salvador Dali AMD XP1600+ @1790MHz and rethinking my cooling.... MAZE3 --> DD Cooler Cube --> Eheim 1048 512MB PC2700 DDR MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU 2x 20GB Maxtor in RAID 0 1x 30GB Maxtor --> WinXP GF3 Ti200 @ 240/499

06-13-2002, 07:07 PM	#11
imatation Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: SC Posts: 68	That setup looks awesome! Thats a great idea with the two rads, ive never thought of that before. How is that case, does it look good, or awkward and too big. I am getting the smaller version but after seeing that i might reconsider.

06-13-2002, 07:30 PM	#12
VIPERMAN Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 27	Case It's a very tall case. 27" but it has alot of room for my setup. I wanted to get a server case so I could put water on one side and all the computer stuff on the other. Those server case I was looking at where to expensive. I only payed 60 bucks for this Cheiftech with 400 watt antec. O by the way this case is heavy. When I get everything inside I better have the wheels on. That's gonna make it 28-1/2" tall. It will just fit under my desk. With about a 1/2" to spare.

06-14-2002, 05:36 AM	#13
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	wow, nice plans man! One suggestion, why go all the way up from the gpu to the rad, then back down to the cpu, then back up to the pump? It might be an idea to just go gpu - cpu - rad - pump __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-14-2002, 06:33 AM	#14
VIPERMAN Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 27	I don't think that the GPU would put out so much heat that it would "contaminate" the coolant for your CPU, plus it's going to the next RAD, so you shoul be good to go. Plus, I think that it will give you a little neater setup, and may even be cooler. The flow rate with that pump might be a problem, though. But maybe not. Just a thought. [/b][/quote] Thanks. That's a great idea. I will try it this weekend and some other ways also. I want to get the best flow I can and still have a clean look. I have got alot of work to do. I worked on it last night. Got my pump wired in. I am going to put my new hardware together tonight to get everything up and running before I install in the WC rig. So when I fire up the first time. It will have ready to rock. Saturday is all water flow testing and setup. I am trying to borrow a flow meter but if I can't I will just use the one gl flow test. Have yall tried timing for flow? (500gph is 8.3gpm is .14gbs.) I used this to flow just the pump at one foot and got 450gph. Not to bad for a mag drive. Then I flowed the blocks at one foot and got about 164gph. Well hell got to work. That sucks. I think I am getting sick Boss. Need to go home. Cough,Cough!!

06-14-2002, 10:26 AM	#15
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	You'll get better performance from your original idea of running the rads in parallel. The flow rate drop is normal. 164 is very nice. Avoid elbows at all costs. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-14-2002, 11:42 AM	#16
VIPERMAN Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 27	I wish I could get that kinda flow out of the complete system with rads and everything else. I will see saturday morning.

06-14-2002, 02:37 PM	#19
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Well, it's simple really: the waterblock benefits from a higher flow rate, as it keeps the block as close to the water temp as possible. The rad benefits from a lower flow rate, because the longer the hot water is in the rad, the longer it can be cooled. So if you run your rads in parallel, then you've just reduced your flow rate by half, for each rad, therefore improving the cooling. ...BUT... because you're using rads in parallel, there is a little bit less resistance to waterflow, so your overall flow rate will increase, just a little bit, but that's ok, because it's still 50-50% for the rads, plus the waterblock likes it. It's overall better, any way you look at it. Ca c'est sur! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-14-2002, 03:45 PM	#22
chazz469 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 150	Like this.... __________________ "I believe that the moment is near when by a procedure of active paranoiac thought, it will be possible to systematize confusion to the total discrediting of the world of reality" -Salvador Dali AMD XP1600+ @1790MHz and rethinking my cooling.... MAZE3 --> DD Cooler Cube --> Eheim 1048 512MB PC2700 DDR MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU 2x 20GB Maxtor in RAID 0 1x 30GB Maxtor --> WinXP GF3 Ti200 @ 240/499

06-14-2002, 03:50 PM	#23
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	That's it! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

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