Back to sqaure one with my Radiator Selection

Slipknot · 06-27-2002, 05:37 PM

I have my WB and Pump, and the tygon hosing is on its way, but my radiator decision has proven to be the hardest part.

I originally wanted to purchase a Black Ice II Radiator for my water cooling setup. I wanted to mount this in the top bay of my Antec SX830 Case. I really wanted this project to leave as much free area at the bottom of the case as possible, that is why I decieded on top mounting. I don't want to front mount it at all. The dimensions of the BI2 seemed perfect for the task (9.79 x 5.9x 0.98 inch)

However, everyone seems to think Heater Cores are a much more effective way to cool your WB, so I gave in and decided to take a look. On my way from work today, I stopped by Advance Auto Parts and looked at their Heater Core book (It had pictures and dimensions which was great). After about 25 mins, I found 9 heater cores with dimensions that are some what close to the BI2. that list was then cut to 6 when the guy working there said he couldn't get 3 of them. These are the models I found with prices :

Black Ice II - 9.79" x 5.90" x 0.98"
$59
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Toyota (2-703) - 8.50" x 5.75" x 1.25"
$105.29

GM (2-681) - 10.5" x 6.25" x 0.98"
$66.99

Ford (2-671) - 6.00" x 6.13" x 1.25"
$79.99

GM (2-471) - 9.50" x 5.63" x 2.00"
$44.29

Honda (2-570) - 7.88" x 4.34" x 1.25"
$82.39

Toyota (2-609) - 7.13" x 5.25" x 1.25"
$61.99

I guess I don't really see the value with getting one of these, and here are my reasons.
1) First off, a heater core has no pre drilled holes for mounting a fan or shroud, so I will have to spend alittle more to make it fit.
2) All of the heater cores above have either 3/4 or 5/8 barbs, so I will need an adapter or 2 to make the hose fit.
3) A couple of the heater cores above have some very strange default barb configurations. I would probably have to cut them to make them fit correctly.

Okay, I've given my none educated views. Can you guys help me and tell me what you think. If you know of a radiator/heater core that can fit an a top 5 1/4 bay, let me know, It will only make my search easier.

jtroutma · 06-27-2002, 05:52 PM

You may just want to go with a Black Ice eXtreme. It has better cooling capabilites than the Black Ice II and uses only one fan, thus much smaller. Otherwise, if you can post links or pics of these other heater cores, then we could probably fix you right up

Edit: I am at work so I dont have the time to go searching though the web to locate detailed info and some pics on the heater cores. Not because I am lazy

mhayenga · 06-27-2002, 05:57 PM

also check www.autozone.com for prices... They seem to have decent deals.

mhayenga · 06-27-2002, 05:58 PM

oops, also have ya thought about maybe one of dtek's heatercores?

www.dtekcustoms.com

7x6x2 if I remember correctly

nikhsub1 · 06-27-2002, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mhayenga
oops, also have ya thought about maybe one of dtek's heatercores?

www.dtekcustoms.com

7x6x2 if I remember correctly

DTek's cores are very good, chevette core. I would get it with a shroud.

mhayenga · 06-27-2002, 06:05 PM

Didn't know if it was the chevette core for sure... Autozone has those for $16.99... I'm going to get mine from dtek just for the paint job though...

Slipknot · 06-27-2002, 06:06 PM

I've also thought about the BIX, but since it and the BI2 can cool at aobut th esame performance level I pick the BI2

Also, I got koolance to send me one of the3 fan shrouds they use at the top of the case for 10 bucks shipped. With that, my setup was going to be 2 120mm fans blowing up from below the radiator to the 3 80mm fans blowing out of the system at the top.

I alread have the 2 panflo 120mm and 3 80mm Vantec stealths on order.

toddalaska · 06-27-2002, 06:28 PM

92 ford bronco heatercore 17.99 at napaonline

Slipknot · 06-27-2002, 06:43 PM

I just checked it out toddalaska, it is too big to fit within a 5 1/4 bay. It is alittle to tall at 2" and much too wide at 7"

Excellent price on it, but it has to be less then 1 3/4" thick and no wider then 6.25" inches. The length can go up to about 12" without a problem.

Slipknot · 06-27-2002, 06:55 PM

anyone know of a database that list many many heater core dimensions?

mhayenga · 06-27-2002, 07:18 PM

try using www.heatercore4u.com
I've been browsing for a heatercore for ya for the last few mins... Get the part number from there and try looking it up at napa's site as its usually cheaper there..

I've found many that would work for ya there, but trying to get the "ideal" size and price.

Slipknot · 06-27-2002, 07:21 PM

cool, thanks for the link, I'll check it out too

mhayenga · 06-27-2002, 07:30 PM

got tired of looking... here is one at a decent price that looks like it might do...

oops.. wrong dimension on hte width

here is another.. little more expensive than I'd like to have found... http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-681.htm

Big size, making it nice to put more fans... Dont look that one up at napa lol.. they want $300 for it there according to the search results

Slipknot · 06-27-2002, 08:04 PM

toddalaska · 06-27-2002, 08:37 PM

something i have noticed about heatercore4u.com if the item is about $45.00 then napaonline will have it for about 20.00.

mhayenga · 06-27-2002, 08:55 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1839168678

http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-903.htm

same?
$49.99 at napa

mhayenga · 06-27-2002, 09:20 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...em=1838366051I
wonder if the people on this ebay auction know that they're bidding for the same heater core as on the other auction I posted

Well, they're going above $60 so maybe there is a reason for their willingness to pay so much, then again, maybe there isnt lol

chazz469 · 06-27-2002, 10:31 PM

I'm kind of surprised that no one has mentioned this. You guys are doing all this research. Once you've found one that will fit, go to a junk yard and pck it out. Chances are that it'll be around $10 bucks or less. Just super-flush it to got all the old crap out and you're golden! Plus someone else said that they got all kinds of hoses and stuff for free. I know that you said that you were using tygon, but that's just a bonus.

Slipknot · 06-28-2002, 12:11 AM

Found this one. It should be perfect
only 16.99 too

http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDeta...0&SpecialType=

mhayenga · 06-28-2002, 06:49 AM

Thought ya said 2" thick was out?

Slipknot · 06-28-2002, 07:57 AM

I did say that, but then I remeasured and came up with 2 different situations

If I only use top mounted fans to exhaust the hot air, I can go up to 2" if I only use the top fans in the koolance shroud. For extra cooling, I could also add a 5-1/4" bay cooler.

If I do fans at the bottom and top of the heater core for that push/pull effect, then the heater core will have to be between 1-1/3" and 1-2/3" max.

Since this heater core is so cheap, ($16.99) I don't mind taking a chance on it. If it doesn't work good at the top, I can save it for a second water cooling project down the road and get a different heater core

mhayenga · 06-28-2002, 09:28 AM

cool, sounds good man... hope it all works out

bigben2k · 06-28-2002, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mhayenga
Didn't know if it was the chevette core for sure... Autozone has those for $16.99... I'm going to get mine from dtek just for the paint job though...

Speaking of which, if someone wanted to paint their own heater cores, what would one use?

MeltMan · 06-28-2002, 11:42 AM

automotive spray paint

max007007 · 06-28-2002, 12:41 PM

dtek's heatercores or hwlabs bix better in proformance?

06-27-2002, 05:37 PM	#1
Slipknot Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: VA, USA Posts: 25	Back to sqaure one with my Radiator Selection I have my WB and Pump, and the tygon hosing is on its way, but my radiator decision has proven to be the hardest part. I originally wanted to purchase a Black Ice II Radiator for my water cooling setup. I wanted to mount this in the top bay of my Antec SX830 Case. I really wanted this project to leave as much free area at the bottom of the case as possible, that is why I decieded on top mounting. I don't want to front mount it at all. The dimensions of the BI2 seemed perfect for the task (9.79 x 5.9x 0.98 inch) However, everyone seems to think Heater Cores are a much more effective way to cool your WB, so I gave in and decided to take a look. On my way from work today, I stopped by Advance Auto Parts and looked at their Heater Core book (It had pictures and dimensions which was great). After about 25 mins, I found 9 heater cores with dimensions that are some what close to the BI2. that list was then cut to 6 when the guy working there said he couldn't get 3 of them. These are the models I found with prices : Black Ice II - 9.79" x 5.90" x 0.98" $59 -------------------------------------- Toyota (2-703) - 8.50" x 5.75" x 1.25" $105.29 GM (2-681) - 10.5" x 6.25" x 0.98" $66.99 Ford (2-671) - 6.00" x 6.13" x 1.25" $79.99 GM (2-471) - 9.50" x 5.63" x 2.00" $44.29 Honda (2-570) - 7.88" x 4.34" x 1.25" $82.39 Toyota (2-609) - 7.13" x 5.25" x 1.25" $61.99 I guess I don't really see the value with getting one of these, and here are my reasons. 1) First off, a heater core has no pre drilled holes for mounting a fan or shroud, so I will have to spend alittle more to make it fit. 2) All of the heater cores above have either 3/4 or 5/8 barbs, so I will need an adapter or 2 to make the hose fit. 3) A couple of the heater cores above have some very strange default barb configurations. I would probably have to cut them to make them fit correctly. Okay, I've given my none educated views. Can you guys help me and tell me what you think. If you know of a radiator/heater core that can fit an a top 5 1/4 bay, let me know, It will only make my search easier.

06-27-2002, 05:52 PM	#2
jtroutma Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SLO, CA Posts: 837	You may just want to go with a Black Ice eXtreme. It has better cooling capabilites than the Black Ice II and uses only one fan, thus much smaller. Otherwise, if you can post links or pics of these other heater cores, then we could probably fix you right up Edit: I am at work so I dont have the time to go searching though the web to locate detailed info and some pics on the heater cores. Not because I am lazy __________________ Athlon64 X2 4200+ @ 2.5Ghz (250FSB x 10) OCZ VX 1GB 4000 @ 250FSB (6-2-2-2 timmings) DFI LANParty nForce4 Ultra-D SCSI Raid 5 x (3) Cheetah 15K HDDs LSI Express 500 (128MB cache) OCZ PowerStream 520W PSU ATI X850XT PE (Stock) DTEK WhiteWater + DTEK Custom Radiator Eheim 1250

06-27-2002, 07:30 PM	#13
mhayenga Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 46	got tired of looking... here is one at a decent price that looks like it might do... oops.. wrong dimension on hte width here is another.. little more expensive than I'd like to have found... http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-681.htm Big size, making it nice to put more fans... Dont look that one up at napa lol.. they want $300 for it there according to the search results Last edited by mhayenga; 06-27-2002 at 07:32 PM.

06-27-2002, 08:55 PM	#16
mhayenga Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 46	http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1839168678 http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-903.htm same? $49.99 at napa Last edited by mhayenga; 06-27-2002 at 09:11 PM.

06-27-2002, 10:31 PM	#18
chazz469 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 150	I'm kind of surprised that no one has mentioned this. You guys are doing all this research. Once you've found one that will fit, go to a junk yard and pck it out. Chances are that it'll be around $10 bucks or less. Just super-flush it to got all the old crap out and you're golden! Plus someone else said that they got all kinds of hoses and stuff for free. I know that you said that you were using tygon, but that's just a bonus. __________________ "I believe that the moment is near when by a procedure of active paranoiac thought, it will be possible to systematize confusion to the total discrediting of the world of reality" -Salvador Dali AMD XP1600+ @1790MHz and rethinking my cooling.... MAZE3 --> DD Cooler Cube --> Eheim 1048 512MB PC2700 DDR MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU 2x 20GB Maxtor in RAID 0 1x 30GB Maxtor --> WinXP GF3 Ti200 @ 240/499

06-27-2002, 05:57 PM	#3
mhayenga Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 46	also check www.autozone.com for prices... They seem to have decent deals.

06-27-2002, 05:58 PM	#4
mhayenga Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 46	oops, also have ya thought about maybe one of dtek's heatercores? www.dtekcustoms.com 7x6x2 if I remember correctly

06-27-2002, 06:05 PM	#6
mhayenga Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 46	Didn't know if it was the chevette core for sure... Autozone has those for $16.99... I'm going to get mine from dtek just for the paint job though...

06-27-2002, 06:06 PM	#7
Slipknot Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: VA, USA Posts: 25	I've also thought about the BIX, but since it and the BI2 can cool at aobut th esame performance level I pick the BI2 Also, I got koolance to send me one of the3 fan shrouds they use at the top of the case for 10 bucks shipped. With that, my setup was going to be 2 120mm fans blowing up from below the radiator to the 3 80mm fans blowing out of the system at the top. I alread have the 2 panflo 120mm and 3 80mm Vantec stealths on order.

06-27-2002, 06:28 PM	#8
toddalaska Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ALASKA Posts: 66	92 ford bronco heatercore 17.99 at napaonline

06-27-2002, 06:43 PM	#9
Slipknot Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: VA, USA Posts: 25	I just checked it out toddalaska, it is too big to fit within a 5 1/4 bay. It is alittle to tall at 2" and much too wide at 7" Excellent price on it, but it has to be less then 1 3/4" thick and no wider then 6.25" inches. The length can go up to about 12" without a problem.

06-27-2002, 06:55 PM	#10
Slipknot Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: VA, USA Posts: 25	anyone know of a database that list many many heater core dimensions?

06-27-2002, 07:18 PM	#11
mhayenga Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 46	try using www.heatercore4u.com I've been browsing for a heatercore for ya for the last few mins... Get the part number from there and try looking it up at napa's site as its usually cheaper there.. I've found many that would work for ya there, but trying to get the "ideal" size and price.

06-27-2002, 07:21 PM	#12
Slipknot Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: VA, USA Posts: 25	cool, thanks for the link, I'll check it out too

06-27-2002, 08:04 PM	#14
Slipknot Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: VA, USA Posts: 25	Some of the ones I just found, they are about the right size, but the price seems high. http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-745.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-608.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-689.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-690.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-651.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-610.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-603.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-604.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-688.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-587.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-715.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-756.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-710.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-713.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-689.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-570.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-764.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-744.htm http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-646.htm

06-27-2002, 08:37 PM	#15
toddalaska Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ALASKA Posts: 66	something i have noticed about heatercore4u.com if the item is about $45.00 then napaonline will have it for about 20.00.

06-27-2002, 09:20 PM	#17
mhayenga Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 46	http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...em=1838366051I wonder if the people on this ebay auction know that they're bidding for the same heater core as on the other auction I posted Well, they're going above $60 so maybe there is a reason for their willingness to pay so much, then again, maybe there isnt lol

06-28-2002, 12:11 AM	#19
Slipknot Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: VA, USA Posts: 25	Found this one. It should be perfect only 16.99 too http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDeta...0&SpecialType=

06-28-2002, 06:49 AM	#20
mhayenga Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 46	Thought ya said 2" thick was out?

06-28-2002, 07:57 AM	#21
Slipknot Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: VA, USA Posts: 25	I did say that, but then I remeasured and came up with 2 different situations If I only use top mounted fans to exhaust the hot air, I can go up to 2" if I only use the top fans in the koolance shroud. For extra cooling, I could also add a 5-1/4" bay cooler. If I do fans at the bottom and top of the heater core for that push/pull effect, then the heater core will have to be between 1-1/3" and 1-2/3" max. Since this heater core is so cheap, ($16.99) I don't mind taking a chance on it. If it doesn't work good at the top, I can save it for a second water cooling project down the road and get a different heater core

06-28-2002, 09:28 AM	#22
mhayenga Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 46	cool, sounds good man... hope it all works out

06-28-2002, 11:42 AM	#24
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06-28-2002, 12:41 PM	#25
max007007 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 61	dtek's heatercores or hwlabs bix better in proformance? __________________ My Specs http://homex.coolconnect.com/member3...ages/Specs.jpg

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