BlackIce Extreme

the creature · 09-03-2002, 08:10 AM

How does this radiator performe? (I only got to a german page)

Does this rad reduce the watterflow much?

Now I got a heater core from d-tek, and the watter temp is 4-5C above ambient with the fan running at 7V (don't remmember the cmf). It's coolin a XP1900+.

What temps would I get with the BIX, around the same?

I like the radiator because it's small size, so it would be easier too install in a case

g.l.amour · 09-03-2002, 09:13 AM

well 4-5°C over ambient doesn't look too bad; dunno about the BIX but i would guess u r not going to see much improvement.

ambient · 09-03-2002, 11:06 AM

See my sig below. My BLX keeps the water 1 degree above ambient. I use a DD5 too.

nexxo · 09-03-2002, 02:34 PM

It is known for a fact that the D-Tek heatercore is better than the BIX, and has lower flow resistance. The BIX is very good for its size; the heatercore is better if you got the space to accomodate it.

(P.S. I'm a BIX owner, so impartial).

WebMasta33 · 09-03-2002, 11:00 PM

I got two BiXs second hand, great deals on both. And I love them both.

nexxo · 09-04-2002, 01:24 PM

Did you give them names? J/K

bigben2k · 09-04-2002, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nexxo
Did you give them names? J/K

Anton and Boris, like on the Bismarck!

WebMasta33 · 09-04-2002, 03:45 PM

Front and Rear...

Ones in the front of my case, taking up 4 of my 12 5-1/4" bays, and ones in the back of the case, in a hole I drilled out :P

gmat · 09-04-2002, 04:04 PM

With the same setup otherwise, you should get higher temps with the BiX. It's a small rad designed for cramped spaces. Heater cores (such as D-Tek one) are way bigger and more efficient, and most of the time allow better airflow -again the BiX is known to be very restrictive.

TNT2bluz · 09-04-2002, 07:11 PM

Designwise the BIX is no more restrictive in the air-side of the radiator chain as the honeycomb type heatercores.

Heatercores are simply bigger internally in volume, thus benefitting from greater surface are and internal pressure drop.

If we were to design the Black Ice Radiators in the same proportions we would get far better results because of the materials, in this case copper fins, as opposed to brass.

But it would be a difficult proposition in terms of installation.

We will be implementing a few more tweaks on the rads in the next quarter which should improve overall performance.

gmat · 09-05-2002, 11:19 AM

Oh you're still reading these forums

hehe.
Here's how i see things:
- For someone building everything up from the case itself, or have a huge or cube case, i'd let him go with a heater core (or better, see hmale's setup).
- For someone with a smaller case but high budget for WC stuff, go with the BiX.
I do not deny the BiX is efficient for its size, indeed it is. But i think it is way too expensive

If the price was proportional to its performance vs heatercores i'd already have 2 of them in parallel !

airspirit · 09-05-2002, 01:22 PM

I don't know ... I've had good luck with mine ... it is a decent investment for someone who wants a compact radiator that gives good performance. It may not be the best out there, but it certainly does what it's designed to do very well. If I wanted <1C diff from ambient, I'd hook my computer to an array of F350 main radiators. Certainly there are radiators that perform better, even some of close to similar size, but the BIX is a nice looking package, and I think that goes for something, too ... that's just my opinion, though.

gmat · 09-05-2002, 01:26 PM

Well here in Europe the BiX is around 100€ while a (modded, with barbs) heatercore is around 35€ .. So i'd save on the price, and with the remaining 65€ buy a Eheim or a CPU block

(edit) ...or 3 heater cores ! overkill !

Triton · 09-05-2002, 02:00 PM

I own a BIX rev 1.0. This unit took some knocks because of the flow resistance. But I believe I get pretty good performance from it. You can look at my site to get more information on my setup. I usually run 35-37 degrees celsius at the CPU using a temp probe. When I was using the stock AMD retail heatsink I would register 45-49 degrees celsius on average. Sorry but I don't have room or water temps to post. My system was more for fun rather than data collection, so unfortunately I don't have temp probes plugged in everywhere.

I hear the rev 2.0 is still a good unit. Just keep in mind that when you buy a BIX it should be because size and/or looks are a concern. If you want sheer performance go with a DTEK heater core or some other recommended heater core type radiator. just my opinion. Good luck!

09-03-2002, 08:10 AM	#1
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	BlackIce Extreme How does this radiator performe? (I only got to a german page) Does this rad reduce the watterflow much? Now I got a heater core from d-tek, and the watter temp is 4-5C above ambient with the fan running at 7V (don't remmember the cmf). It's coolin a XP1900+. What temps would I get with the BIX, around the same? I like the radiator because it's small size, so it would be easier too install in a case

09-03-2002, 11:06 AM	#3
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	See my sig below. My BLX keeps the water 1 degree above ambient. I use a DD5 too. __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

09-03-2002, 02:34 PM	#4
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	It is known for a fact that the D-Tek heatercore is better than the BIX, and has lower flow resistance. The BIX is very good for its size; the heatercore is better if you got the space to accomodate it. (P.S. I'm a BIX owner, so impartial). __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

09-03-2002, 11:00 PM	#5
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	I got two BiXs second hand, great deals on both. And I love them both. __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 ===========

09-04-2002, 01:24 PM	#6
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	Did you give them names? J/K __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

09-03-2002, 09:13 AM	#2
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	well 4-5°C over ambient doesn't look too bad; dunno about the BIX but i would guess u r not going to see much improvement.

09-04-2002, 03:45 PM	#8
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	Front and Rear... Ones in the front of my case, taking up 4 of my 12 5-1/4" bays, and ones in the back of the case, in a hole I drilled out :P __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 ===========

09-04-2002, 04:04 PM	#9
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	With the same setup otherwise, you should get higher temps with the BiX. It's a small rad designed for cramped spaces. Heater cores (such as D-Tek one) are way bigger and more efficient, and most of the time allow better airflow -again the BiX is known to be very restrictive.

09-04-2002, 07:11 PM	#10
TNT2bluz Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Secret Staging Grounds Ganymede Posts: 104	Designwise the BIX is no more restrictive in the air-side of the radiator chain as the honeycomb type heatercores. Heatercores are simply bigger internally in volume, thus benefitting from greater surface are and internal pressure drop. If we were to design the Black Ice Radiators in the same proportions we would get far better results because of the materials, in this case copper fins, as opposed to brass. But it would be a difficult proposition in terms of installation. We will be implementing a few more tweaks on the rads in the next quarter which should improve overall performance.

09-05-2002, 11:19 AM	#11
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Oh you're still reading these forums hehe. Here's how i see things: - For someone building everything up from the case itself, or have a huge or cube case, i'd let him go with a heater core (or better, see hmale's setup). - For someone with a smaller case but high budget for WC stuff, go with the BiX. I do not deny the BiX is efficient for its size, indeed it is. But i think it is way too expensive If the price was proportional to its performance vs heatercores i'd already have 2 of them in parallel !

09-05-2002, 01:22 PM	#12
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I don't know ... I've had good luck with mine ... it is a decent investment for someone who wants a compact radiator that gives good performance. It may not be the best out there, but it certainly does what it's designed to do very well. If I wanted <1C diff from ambient, I'd hook my computer to an array of F350 main radiators. Certainly there are radiators that perform better, even some of close to similar size, but the BIX is a nice looking package, and I think that goes for something, too ... that's just my opinion, though. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

09-05-2002, 01:26 PM	#13
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Well here in Europe the BiX is around 100€ while a (modded, with barbs) heatercore is around 35€ .. So i'd save on the price, and with the remaining 65€ buy a Eheim or a CPU block (edit) ...or 3 heater cores ! overkill !

09-05-2002, 02:00 PM	#14
Triton Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Union City, CA Posts: 78	I own a BIX rev 1.0. This unit took some knocks because of the flow resistance. But I believe I get pretty good performance from it. You can look at my site to get more information on my setup. I usually run 35-37 degrees celsius at the CPU using a temp probe. When I was using the stock AMD retail heatsink I would register 45-49 degrees celsius on average. Sorry but I don't have room or water temps to post. My system was more for fun rather than data collection, so unfortunately I don't have temp probes plugged in everywhere. I hear the rev 2.0 is still a good unit. Just keep in mind that when you buy a BIX it should be because size and/or looks are a concern. If you want sheer performance go with a DTEK heater core or some other recommended heater core type radiator. just my opinion. Good luck! __________________ XP1800+ Gigabyte GA-7DX 512mb Crucial 2100 watercooled with Danger Den, Eheim, 1/2" silicone tubing, and Black Ice Xtreme radiator. Liteon 24x10x40x CDRW WD80gb +30gb hard drives Liteon FS020 case and much more at http://www.jakeandkelly.com/customcomputer/index.htm

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