Poll: European heatercores?

bigben2k · 09-05-2002, 12:59 PM

It came to my attention recently that getting a heatercore in Europe may not be as easy as it is here in the USA, where every small town has a car part store!

If you live in Europe, maybe you could describe this situation more accurately?

Is it possible to get an american car's heatercore in Europe?

Is there a website in Europe, with listings of European cars and their corresponding heater cores? (similar to heatercore4u.com)

gmat · 09-05-2002, 01:20 PM

Well we can go to a local car wreck and pick up a heater core, just like you in US. Sites like heatercore4u cover a lot of cars and most of em found their way in Europe.
The problem is,finding it, taking it apart, paying it, cutting the inlet and outlet and soldering properly new barbs, cleaning it, building a shroud, is so much a hassle i'll end up ordering one, for example at DTek's...

PlawsWorth · 09-05-2002, 01:36 PM

Well, I'll try my best. Sweden has ca 9million people dived in to three major cities. The capital Stockholm (ca 1million), Gothenburg (0,5million), Malmo (0,3million). Then the rest of the country is filled with small cities 10 000 - 70 000p. Then for the fun part, I bought a Volvo 240 radiator for 10$ from a scrap yard. New it cost 152$. I believe finding a place to buy used car parts isn't to hard. Problem is they are often damaged and very often to large and bulky. The cheapest radiator I have found costed 74$ and was like twice the size of a Black Ice II. But after what I have heard the price on second hand cars in the state is MUCH cheaper than in for example Sweden.

PlawsWorth · 09-05-2002, 01:41 PM

btw, I'm going to a old car yard to try to find a Ford Fiesta -83 heatercore. If I find one that isn't to damaged I can buy it for 24$ and it's quite small, while a black ice prime cost 68$ + 14$ fee for the transport (internet shop). Then of course I have no idea how good it will preform or how I should attach a 4,76" papst fan on it.

Puzzdre · 09-05-2002, 01:47 PM

this thread was great idea !!!

same situation here - car wrecks are most resourceful. The problem is that cars are mostly german, french and italian, and only ford parts can be found. No chevettes and other types. As far as I know, european cars have almost exclusively Al heater cores, so copper cores are hard (impossible) to find.

Web shopping here (Croatia) is rudimental, so no good sites offering lots of good stuff. If I want to get something from outside of Croatia, the customs are high, so I'll end up paying almost twice the price.

Pretty sh@@@y situation.

PlawsWorth · 09-05-2002, 01:58 PM

the lack of open cab. cars is the probs with the season. in sweden we got like nice weather in may and hot during the summer then it's hot/nice in august and in sep. it's slowly getting cold. so the season for mc's and cab. cars are short and there for things like drive-in cinemas doesn't exist, also the fact that you have to be 18years to drive a car...

bigben2k · 09-05-2002, 02:03 PM

Hum... that's not quite what I had in mind! (if this keeps up, I'll need a babelfish descrambler!)

Rants aside, what about buying a heatercore at an auto part store? What's that like? Here in the US, we can pick one up for $20-25.

Also in the US, there's tons of websites, and there are also performance/racing (big sport here) components available, but for a price.

Puzzdre · 09-05-2002, 02:17 PM

Yes bb2k,

I can buy one brand new hcore for approx 25$ - 30$ in the auto parts store, but they are all aluminium. Almost every auto part store in my town (population approx 35 000) have parts for most VW and Mercedes types, if you want something else, youll have to look a little bit harder, or order it (so if you ordered it, you'll have to buy it). French cars have very pricy parts, italian are considered poor quality (I was told), so we are stuck up with VW.
Not so much for the choice.

Performance components here are mostly limited to exhaust and intake (KN filters and such).
Racing components can be found, but not by the mortals like us, also very pricy considering that average monthly income is about 400$.

nexxo · 09-05-2002, 02:27 PM

You just can't beat German engineering...

Anyway, Bigben2k, I don't think anyone has remarked this but your research and resulting reference list of heatercores is a brilliant piece of work. On behalf of modders all over... I salute you.

bigben2k · 09-05-2002, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nexxo
You just can't beat German engineering...

Anyway, Bigben2k, I don't think anyone has remarked this but your research and resulting reference list of heatercores is a brilliant piece of work. On behalf of modders all over... I salute you.

Right back at you!

mo · 09-05-2002, 02:49 PM

*ducks the flames in anticipation of the RTFMs* Just curious, if an AL heatercore is considered good by European car makers, why wouldnt it cut it for a pc?

bigben2k · 09-05-2002, 03:02 PM

Well, hello there, Mo from Montreal! (that's where I moved from!).

Actually, I find that a lot of european products are unusually clever, but you have to look closer.

Given that an engine block is now made of aluminium, why would you want a copper heatercore, which would cause water to eat away at your engine?

Anyways, copper does have better heat conduction properties, but Alu is better for air cooling applications. The ideal solution, for a PC, is a radiator made of copper, with aluminium fins soldered onto it. Copper is best with water, Aluminium is better with air.

fastfred · 09-05-2002, 03:58 PM

just picked up a VW-polo heater core, the other day,

here in holland it's common that car-wreckers have ready dismanteled pieces on the shelve.

So to get it here is quite easy, prices are indeed about 20-25dollars (and € btw)

But copper heater-cores i have'nt seen yet. And american cars on dutch scrap-yards are'nt that common.

Dix Dogfight · 09-05-2002, 04:50 PM

Well it was the scrapyard for me too.
My heatercore is from a Mitsubishi Colt -86 and made of brass. It about the same as a BIX.
PlawsWorth pretty much covers the situation here.
Almost everybody uses the web here, but the companies hasn't realized what a great marketingplace the web is. So if you are lucky you might find some info on the company and sometimes even their products but prices and comparisons etc are far and between.

busabus · 09-06-2002, 10:56 AM

I just got a heating core from a scrap yard. The owner didn't seem to know what I was talking about and said just go have a look around. In a shack there were loads of car parts, and on a shelf was a gleaming radiator. £10

No idea what it's history is, or even if it could have been a transmission or oil cooler... probably not though. I think it's made from brass... well the in/outlet pipes are made of ayellow metal.

Picture here

As you can see it's huge. Those fans are 80mm. It fits perfectly in my case too.

My only problem now is getting pipes to fix to it. My pump is 10mm, my cpu waterblock is 8mm, this thing's 15mm...

I have noticed the lack of decent watercooling shops in the UK, and the huge stack of them in US. What's going on?

gmat · 09-06-2002, 11:10 AM

There are lots of WC shops in Germany as well.. should be easier on shipping charges

You'll have to pay for change fees though, you're not in Euro zone he he he.

Gnozo · 09-06-2002, 12:39 PM

There aren't as many copper heatercores as alu ones here in Denmark, don't know why.....it's not hard to get at good heatercore here, but it's hard to get one with the rigth size.....I would kill for a Chevette copper(that one that everybody uses)....Impossible to find here in Denmark :shrug:

Jessfm · 09-06-2002, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by busabus
I just got a heating core from a scrap yard. The owner didn't seem to know what I was talking about and said just go have a look around. In a shack there were loads of car parts, and on a shelf was a gleaming radiator. £10

No idea what it's history is, or even if it could have been a transmission or oil cooler... probably not though. I think it's made from brass... well the in/outlet pipes are made of ayellow metal.

Picture here

As you can see it's huge. Those fans are 80mm. It fits perfectly in my case too.

My only problem now is getting pipes to fix to it. My pump is 10mm, my cpu waterblock is 8mm, this thing's 15mm...

I have noticed the lack of decent watercooling shops in the UK, and the huge stack of them in US. What's going on?

There are a few shops.
But only 1 manufacturer (OCPC).
Rem Us population is huge , if your comparison was alittle more realistic in terms of size, it should include all shops from the EEC counries(still not actualy that many).

List what you know and Ill see what i can add for you.

busabus · 09-06-2002, 01:27 PM

I put together a list of parts needed to set up a basic watercooling system for the smallest amount of cash possible (including delivery), and I ended up with every part coming from a different on-line store! It seems to me as if the uk stores can't get deals with suppliers for stock.

Maybe we need to set up more manufacturers in the uk?!? !

Sascha · 09-06-2002, 01:53 PM

Hm. Maybe you're just not looking close enough to find something. I don't know many specific sources for cheap car heatercores (except for germany), but commercial PC-Radiators are not that hard to find, and most manufacturers over here in germany DO ship anywhere in the Euro-Zone, some even worldwide. You just gotta ask. I have to know that, since I work in the biz!

A recent review on PC-Radiators, including a car heatercore (labeled 'Airplex', originates from a french car) and the Black-Ice series:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/cgi-bin/u...c&f=5&t=000038

Just go and search thoroughly, and you'll find more than enough; regardless if you want to build your rig yourself or buy serial parts.

busabus · 09-06-2002, 03:18 PM

Is my German right... they don't like hose connections?? I thought they were pretty reliable seeing as they're in most cars etc. and don't leak for 10 years or so... I'm probably opening up myself for flames, but it's a serious question.... anyone had problems with hose clips?

I'll post my list of uk stores/prices as soon as I find it.

Has anyone actually proved whether pushing or pulling air over a radiator is better?

Jessfm · 09-06-2002, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by busabus
I put together a list of parts needed to set up a basic watercooling system for the smallest amount of cash possible (including delivery), and I ended up with every part coming from a different on-line store! It seems to me as if the uk stores can't get deals with suppliers for stock.

Maybe we need to set up more manufacturers in the uk?!? !

http://www.overclockedpc.co.uk/produ...roducts_id=133
£140(ish) incl delivery for a top notch setup.

g.l.amour · 09-06-2002, 04:02 PM

to get a heatercore in belgium is way easier and cheaper getting them from carshops than from pcmodshop. i could pick them up in about 5 places in our 100k inhabitants city.
cost me about 30€ to get a vw/audi/porsche carheater rad. getting one from a carjunkyard would cost me next to nothing.

if puzzdre might read this: i hear from a m8 from a belgian watercooling forum that:

construction year : 1988

Titan: Opel Ascona
Big momma : Opel Kadett

the big momma i think you all now and the titan is a little bigger and dispayed in this link.
http://www.insanewb.com/RECENSIONI/N...est/Btitan.htm

Puzzdre · 09-06-2002, 04:50 PM

HO HO HO, Santa is going to the scrap yard tomorrow.

Thanx a lot g.l.amour !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

g.l.amour · 09-06-2002, 05:26 PM

i was thinking of getting one of those myself lately. thought i could only get that kind of rad in the US, until i got that info. the santa's will all be hitting those poor car wrecks soon!!

09-05-2002, 12:59 PM	#1
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Poll: European heatercores? It came to my attention recently that getting a heatercore in Europe may not be as easy as it is here in the USA, where every small town has a car part store! If you live in Europe, maybe you could describe this situation more accurately? Is it possible to get an american car's heatercore in Europe? Is there a website in Europe, with listings of European cars and their corresponding heater cores? (similar to heatercore4u.com) __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

09-05-2002, 01:36 PM	#3
PlawsWorth Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 248	sweden Well, I'll try my best. Sweden has ca 9million people dived in to three major cities. The capital Stockholm (ca 1million), Gothenburg (0,5million), Malmo (0,3million). Then the rest of the country is filled with small cities 10 000 - 70 000p. Then for the fun part, I bought a Volvo 240 radiator for 10$ from a scrap yard. New it cost 152$. I believe finding a place to buy used car parts isn't to hard. Problem is they are often damaged and very often to large and bulky. The cheapest radiator I have found costed 74$ and was like twice the size of a Black Ice II. But after what I have heard the price on second hand cars in the state is MUCH cheaper than in for example Sweden. __________________ cocaine addict

09-05-2002, 01:41 PM	#4
PlawsWorth Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 248	myself btw, I'm going to a old car yard to try to find a Ford Fiesta -83 heatercore. If I find one that isn't to damaged I can buy it for 24$ and it's quite small, while a black ice prime cost 68$ + 14$ fee for the transport (internet shop). Then of course I have no idea how good it will preform or how I should attach a 4,76" papst fan on it. __________________ cocaine addict

09-05-2002, 01:47 PM	#5
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	this thread was great idea !!! same situation here - car wrecks are most resourceful. The problem is that cars are mostly german, french and italian, and only ford parts can be found. No chevettes and other types. As far as I know, european cars have almost exclusively Al heater cores, so copper cores are hard (impossible) to find. Web shopping here (Croatia) is rudimental, so no good sites offering lots of good stuff. If I want to get something from outside of Croatia, the customs are high, so I'll end up paying almost twice the price. Pretty sh@@@y situation. __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

09-05-2002, 01:58 PM	#6
PlawsWorth Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 248	summer the lack of open cab. cars is the probs with the season. in sweden we got like nice weather in may and hot during the summer then it's hot/nice in august and in sep. it's slowly getting cold. so the season for mc's and cab. cars are short and there for things like drive-in cinemas doesn't exist, also the fact that you have to be 18years to drive a car... __________________ cocaine addict

09-05-2002, 01:20 PM	#2
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Well we can go to a local car wreck and pick up a heater core, just like you in US. Sites like heatercore4u cover a lot of cars and most of em found their way in Europe. The problem is,finding it, taking it apart, paying it, cutting the inlet and outlet and soldering properly new barbs, cleaning it, building a shroud, is so much a hassle i'll end up ordering one, for example at DTek's...

09-05-2002, 02:03 PM	#7
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Hum... that's not quite what I had in mind! (if this keeps up, I'll need a babelfish descrambler!) Rants aside, what about buying a heatercore at an auto part store? What's that like? Here in the US, we can pick one up for $20-25. Also in the US, there's tons of websites, and there are also performance/racing (big sport here) components available, but for a price. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

09-05-2002, 02:17 PM	#8
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	Yes bb2k, I can buy one brand new hcore for approx 25$ - 30$ in the auto parts store, but they are all aluminium. Almost every auto part store in my town (population approx 35 000) have parts for most VW and Mercedes types, if you want something else, youll have to look a little bit harder, or order it (so if you ordered it, you'll have to buy it). French cars have very pricy parts, italian are considered poor quality (I was told), so we are stuck up with VW. Not so much for the choice. Performance components here are mostly limited to exhaust and intake (KN filters and such). Racing components can be found, but not by the mortals like us, also very pricy considering that average monthly income is about 400$. __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

09-05-2002, 02:27 PM	#9
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	You just can't beat German engineering... Anyway, Bigben2k, I don't think anyone has remarked this but your research and resulting reference list of heatercores is a brilliant piece of work. On behalf of modders all over... I salute you. __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

09-05-2002, 02:49 PM	#11
mo Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada, Montreal Posts: 136	ducks the flames in anticipation of the RTFMs Just curious, if an AL heatercore is considered good by European car makers, why wouldnt it cut it for a pc?

09-05-2002, 03:02 PM	#12
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Well, hello there, Mo from Montreal! (that's where I moved from!). Actually, I find that a lot of european products are unusually clever, but you have to look closer. Given that an engine block is now made of aluminium, why would you want a copper heatercore, which would cause water to eat away at your engine? Anyways, copper does have better heat conduction properties, but Alu is better for air cooling applications. The ideal solution, for a PC, is a radiator made of copper, with aluminium fins soldered onto it. Copper is best with water, Aluminium is better with air. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

09-05-2002, 03:58 PM	#13
fastfred Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 17	just picked up a VW-polo heater core, the other day, here in holland it's common that car-wreckers have ready dismanteled pieces on the shelve. So to get it here is quite easy, prices are indeed about 20-25dollars (and € btw) But copper heater-cores i have'nt seen yet. And american cars on dutch scrap-yards are'nt that common. __________________ At the moment Air cooling 7 fans, working towards watercooling

09-05-2002, 04:50 PM	#14
Dix Dogfight Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 128	Well it was the scrapyard for me too. My heatercore is from a Mitsubishi Colt -86 and made of brass. It about the same as a BIX. PlawsWorth pretty much covers the situation here. Almost everybody uses the web here, but the companies hasn't realized what a great marketingplace the web is. So if you are lucky you might find some info on the company and sometimes even their products but prices and comparisons etc are far and between. __________________ If it ain't broke, fix it. Setup: Dual Duron 1100 \| Voodoo 3 2000 \| Addtronics W8500(WTX) \| Eheim 1250 \| Car radiator \| 2 Innovatech WB \|

09-06-2002, 10:56 AM	#15
busabus Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: England Posts: 7	I just got a heating core from a scrap yard. The owner didn't seem to know what I was talking about and said just go have a look around. In a shack there were loads of car parts, and on a shelf was a gleaming radiator. £10 No idea what it's history is, or even if it could have been a transmission or oil cooler... probably not though. I think it's made from brass... well the in/outlet pipes are made of ayellow metal. Picture here As you can see it's huge. Those fans are 80mm. It fits perfectly in my case too. My only problem now is getting pipes to fix to it. My pump is 10mm, my cpu waterblock is 8mm, this thing's 15mm... I have noticed the lack of decent watercooling shops in the UK, and the huge stack of them in US. What's going on?

09-06-2002, 11:10 AM	#16
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	There are lots of WC shops in Germany as well.. should be easier on shipping charges You'll have to pay for change fees though, you're not in Euro zone he he he.

09-06-2002, 12:39 PM	#17
Gnozo Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 105	There aren't as many copper heatercores as alu ones here in Denmark, don't know why.....it's not hard to get at good heatercore here, but it's hard to get one with the rigth size.....I would kill for a Chevette copper(that one that everybody uses)....Impossible to find here in Denmark :shrug: __________________ AMD XP1700+ @ JIUHB 12 x 202 Epox 8RDA+ Samsung PC2700 512mb Asus V8420 TI4200 Eheim 1048 - Maze1 - AirPlex EVO240 - Lian Li PC-61

09-06-2002, 01:27 PM	#19
busabus Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: England Posts: 7	I put together a list of parts needed to set up a basic watercooling system for the smallest amount of cash possible (including delivery), and I ended up with every part coming from a different on-line store! It seems to me as if the uk stores can't get deals with suppliers for stock. Maybe we need to set up more manufacturers in the uk?!? !

09-06-2002, 01:53 PM	#20
Sascha Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: near Ratisbona, Germany Posts: 1	Hm. Maybe you're just not looking close enough to find something. I don't know many specific sources for cheap car heatercores (except for germany), but commercial PC-Radiators are not that hard to find, and most manufacturers over here in germany DO ship anywhere in the Euro-Zone, some even worldwide. You just gotta ask. I have to know that, since I work in the biz! A recent review on PC-Radiators, including a car heatercore (labeled 'Airplex', originates from a french car) and the Black-Ice series: http://www.hardwareluxx.de/cgi-bin/u...c&f=5&t=000038 Just go and search thoroughly, and you'll find more than enough; regardless if you want to build your rig yourself or buy serial parts. __________________ Sascha -R&D Watercool-

09-06-2002, 03:18 PM	#21
busabus Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: England Posts: 7	Is my German right... they don't like hose connections?? I thought they were pretty reliable seeing as they're in most cars etc. and don't leak for 10 years or so... I'm probably opening up myself for flames, but it's a serious question.... anyone had problems with hose clips? I'll post my list of uk stores/prices as soon as I find it. Has anyone actually proved whether pushing or pulling air over a radiator is better?

09-06-2002, 04:02 PM	#23
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	to get a heatercore in belgium is way easier and cheaper getting them from carshops than from pcmodshop. i could pick them up in about 5 places in our 100k inhabitants city. cost me about 30€ to get a vw/audi/porsche carheater rad. getting one from a carjunkyard would cost me next to nothing. if puzzdre might read this: i hear from a m8 from a belgian watercooling forum that: construction year : 1988 Titan: Opel Ascona Big momma : Opel Kadett the big momma i think you all now and the titan is a little bigger and dispayed in this link. http://www.insanewb.com/RECENSIONI/N...est/Btitan.htm Last edited by g.l.amour; 09-06-2002 at 04:24 PM.

09-06-2002, 04:50 PM	#24
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	HO HO HO, Santa is going to the scrap yard tomorrow. Thanx a lot g.l.amour !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

09-06-2002, 05:26 PM	#25
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	i was thinking of getting one of those myself lately. thought i could only get that kind of rad in the US, until i got that info. the santa's will all be hitting those poor car wrecks soon!!

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