Soc A WB Clamp Device (non 4 hole type) Links

bigdawginva · 10-28-2002, 10:52 PM

New member getting hooked on WC.

After purchasing the Swifty CPU and GPU WBs a few weeks ago to replace my Koolance WBs, I have found that I just HATE the way the Swiftys mount! I despise the standoffs! After several nerve-wracking CPU swap-outs having to manipulate the screws, springs, and nuts while not crushing the core, I have been on the hunt for alternative WB hold-down brackets for my next WB purchase.

While I know many of you favor the 4 screw mobo mounting design like the Swifty, personally, I can't stand that approach. I like ease of use and really enjoy the ease of my Koolance bracket.

Here are some others I've discovered and currently partial to the Dtek 6 tab clamp.

I'd be interested in other clamps you've come across and your personal favorites.

http://www.caseetc.com/cgi-bin/casee...ml?id=GYMnQ2Tj

http://www.cool-computers.com/site/d...Brackets%2Ehtm

http://www.dangerden.com/images/maze3/m3shd1_large.jpg

http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/18/6.htm?71

http://www.procooling.com/reviews/ht...p_review.shtml

http://www.overclockershideout.com/M...gory_Code=WBSD

bigben2k · 10-29-2002, 09:31 AM

Welcome to ProCooling!

I'm in the process of designing a waterblock, and I've examined this pretty closely.

Out of the five mounts you listed, the last one does not fully meet AMD specs, and I'm sorry that it had to come from this very site! As per AMD specs, the clamping force should be applied longitudinaly over the core, and not be off-center by more than 1.5 mm.

I really like the third one, from DangerDen (but it's still out of spec).

gmat · 10-29-2002, 10:54 AM

You forgot Innovatek with their "magic screw":
http://www.innovatek.de/e-sites/incool.html

And, of course, Aquacomputer with the fabulous CuPlex Evo:
http://217.172.178.216/images/evo/1.jpg
http://217.172.178.216/images/evo/7.jpg

bigben2k · 10-29-2002, 11:07 AM

Both of which are somewhat out of spec.

The innovatech applies a central pressure, in the middle. Not too bad.

The Aqua comp clamping pressure is very off center, and not longitudinal in any way.

gmat · 10-29-2002, 11:13 AM

Side note for BB2K: is watercooling in AMD specs at all ?

bigben2k · 10-29-2002, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gmat
Side note for BB2K: is watercooling in AMD specs at all ?

I don't know, is it?

ChrioN · 10-29-2002, 01:37 PM

Is there a blueprint somewhere? It would be cool to know what measures there is at those plasticpins.

Was this english? ...listen to music at the sametime I'm trying to type proper eng...

bigben2k · 10-29-2002, 01:39 PM

Yes.

look at this thread

bigdawginva · 10-29-2002, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gmat
You forgot Innovatek with their "magic screw":
http://www.innovatek.de/e-sites/incool.html

And, of course, Aquacomputer with the fabulous CuPlex Evo:
http://217.172.178.216/images/evo/1.jpg
http://217.172.178.216/images/evo/7.jpg

True, but even though I really like the Innovatek clamp, I chose not to include it since I assumed it was indigenous to the WB itself. The others I listed I assumed could be used on most WBs. Of course, being new to WC, I may be wrong. I had not seen that Aquacomputer WB before but I assume its clamp is also indigenous its WB as well. Is there a US/English site that has more info on their gear?

bigdawginva · 10-29-2002, 03:34 PM

Quote:

the clamping force should be applied longitudinaly over the core

I read the thread and certainly understand the concept but it seems strange the zif tabs encourage a more latitude solution. How could a clamp be mounted to the holes or tabs and meet this requirement?

BTW, thanks for the welcome and all the responses. I'm going to continue to look for retention alternatives until I can find one I can live with. The Swifty wouldn't be bad if it used more of a 4-protuding-bolt-stud-and-nut approach instead of 4 screws going down into the WB/mobo.

nicozeg · 10-29-2002, 04:55 PM

The Ideal heatsink hold is provided by a single articulated pressure point right in the vertical axis of the center of the core. The pressure point is connected to the holds at socket lugs or mainboard holes by some kind of rigid or flexible element (arm).

This way any unbalance of claming force between the holds is automaticaly compensated by the pivoting arm.

Most of the socket clips comply with this concept, but almost none of the mobo hold down. The best one I’ve seen is from Paul Vodrazka. There the four springs press down the connecting “spider”. So when you tighten the center bolt, in compress the springs and apply all the force only at his tip.

nicozeg · 10-29-2002, 04:59 PM

Ups, forget the link...

Paul`s Block

PaperPlate · 10-29-2002, 06:01 PM

Gmat, problem with aqua computer is they don't ship to the US, so...

Well, I'm pretty sure they don't ship to the US...I can't read german! If you could order me one though...I'd love you...

bigdawginva · 10-29-2002, 07:57 PM

Quote:

The best one I’ve seen is from Paul Vodrazka.

Wow, I must agree. I had never seen that until now. I like the block as well but not nearly as much as the retention mechanism. Shame so many WBs have a nozzle where that center hold-down is located. I bet it would work with almost any WB if not for that. Anyone know if he is still selling them?

gmat · 10-30-2002, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PaperPlate

Well, I'm pretty sure they don't ship to the US...I can't read german! If you could order me one though...I'd love you...

Ewwww. I'm not sure i'm willing. Are you a tall blonde woman, slim and handsome with nice boobs ?

Joke aside, it's no biggie. You can have quite excellent blocks in the USA. TC-4, Spir@l, Maze3, Swifties, etc. Oh and Paul Vodrazka's most excellent pieces of art ! All those will cost you far less than a CuPlex + shipping (shipping will cost as much as the block itself.. which is not exactly cheap, ~$70)
If you really want those lookers, bugger a store so they import Aquacomputer products. I think Innovatek are already imported by someone in the USA, you can try and ask these persons.

10-28-2002, 10:52 PM	#1
bigdawginva Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA Posts: 104	Soc A WB Clamp Device (non 4 hole type) Links New member getting hooked on WC. After purchasing the Swifty CPU and GPU WBs a few weeks ago to replace my Koolance WBs, I have found that I just HATE the way the Swiftys mount! I despise the standoffs! After several nerve-wracking CPU swap-outs having to manipulate the screws, springs, and nuts while not crushing the core, I have been on the hunt for alternative WB hold-down brackets for my next WB purchase. While I know many of you favor the 4 screw mobo mounting design like the Swifty, personally, I can't stand that approach. I like ease of use and really enjoy the ease of my Koolance bracket. Here are some others I've discovered and currently partial to the Dtek 6 tab clamp. I'd be interested in other clamps you've come across and your personal favorites. http://www.caseetc.com/cgi-bin/casee...ml?id=GYMnQ2Tj http://www.cool-computers.com/site/d...Brackets%2Ehtm http://www.dangerden.com/images/maze3/m3shd1_large.jpg http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/18/6.htm?71 http://www.procooling.com/reviews/ht...p_review.shtml http://www.overclockershideout.com/M...gory_Code=WBSD Last edited by bigdawginva; 10-29-2002 at 09:38 PM.

10-29-2002, 09:31 AM	#2
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Welcome to ProCooling! I'm in the process of designing a waterblock, and I've examined this pretty closely. Out of the five mounts you listed, the last one does not fully meet AMD specs, and I'm sorry that it had to come from this very site! As per AMD specs, the clamping force should be applied longitudinaly over the core, and not be off-center by more than 1.5 mm. I really like the third one, from DangerDen (but it's still out of spec). __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101 Last edited by bigben2k; 10-29-2002 at 10:18 AM.

10-29-2002, 11:07 AM	#4
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Both of which are somewhat out of spec. The innovatech applies a central pressure, in the middle. Not too bad. The Aqua comp clamping pressure is very off center, and not longitudinal in any way. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

10-29-2002, 01:39 PM	#8
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Yes. look at this thread __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

10-29-2002, 10:54 AM	#3
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	You forgot Innovatek with their "magic screw": http://www.innovatek.de/e-sites/incool.html And, of course, Aquacomputer with the fabulous CuPlex Evo: http://217.172.178.216/images/evo/1.jpg http://217.172.178.216/images/evo/7.jpg

10-29-2002, 11:13 AM	#5
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Side note for BB2K: is watercooling in AMD specs at all ?

10-29-2002, 01:37 PM	#7
ChrioN Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 318	Is there a blueprint somewhere? It would be cool to know what measures there is at those plasticpins. Was this english? ...listen to music at the sametime I'm trying to type proper eng...

10-29-2002, 04:55 PM	#11
nicozeg Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 403	The Ideal heatsink hold is provided by a single articulated pressure point right in the vertical axis of the center of the core. The pressure point is connected to the holds at socket lugs or mainboard holes by some kind of rigid or flexible element (arm). This way any unbalance of claming force between the holds is automaticaly compensated by the pivoting arm. Most of the socket clips comply with this concept, but almost none of the mobo hold down. The best one I’ve seen is from Paul Vodrazka. There the four springs press down the connecting “spider”. So when you tighten the center bolt, in compress the springs and apply all the force only at his tip.

10-29-2002, 04:59 PM	#12
nicozeg Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 403	Ups, forget the link... Paul`s Block

10-29-2002, 06:01 PM	#13
PaperPlate Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 19	Gmat, problem with aqua computer is they don't ship to the US, so... Well, I'm pretty sure they don't ship to the US...I can't read german! If you could order me one though...I'd love you...

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