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12-24-2002, 01:24 PM
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Thermophile
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Whoops!, Forgot to turn on pump!
Sat there replaying MoHAA~Spearhead when the 'bleeps' go ape~stool!, forgot to turn the pump on!!, doh!, playing waay merrily for half an hour and it only reached 45DegC!, there's something to be said about having the rad higher than the block alright
 , convection rules!, if you let it  . wonder how high it would of gone?, not one experiment I'm planning on, know I know why I was gonna do that relay mod!!...MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!! |
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12-24-2002, 03:12 PM
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CNC Beyatch
Join Date: Aug 2001
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I know that having a large mass of copper on the cpu also helps. I had an original Spir@l (The BIG ones) and my ferret had unplugged my pump. I got the machine to boot, and start playing Ghost recon, about 15 to 20 minutes before the buzzer went off. And I had it set really low. Reached in, felt the block, pretty damn warm. Plugged in the little RIO and temps came down quickly!
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12-24-2002, 06:59 PM
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Thermophile
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: U.S.A = Michigan
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Just how would you describe the emotion when you hear the temp alarm go off?
Cardiac potential, rate 1-10? ? ?  VERY glad to hear no bad results ! |
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12-24-2002, 10:57 PM
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Cooling Savant
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Pa - USA
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Saefmode posted a similar thread on Overclockers.com. We ended up debating wether or not you could run a WC system with just a block with radiator. I came up with a simple setup that I might try one of these days (won't work with my current setup).
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12-25-2002, 03:28 AM
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Thermophile
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Was that the dude whose fuse blew?, he ran it for a week before he sussed it?
 , I think the fact the rad was/is above the CPU gives it a way for the heat to rise, so the cooling cycle can happen...BE!, If I was'nt such an 'analy retentive' proforum reader I probably would of $h;+ myself  , it did make my heart beat for a moment though ...
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12-25-2002, 04:09 AM
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Cooling Savant
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Eh, happens to the best of us.
I do it occaisonally when fiddling round and I don't want the pump on. Usually reseating the CPU block. Pump on PC check temps, they rise steadily, oops the pump 
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12-25-2002, 05:06 AM
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Cooling Neophyte
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Re: Whoops!, Forgot to turn on pump!
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hmm you could experament useing some other heat source that can hit high temps like say a iron or mono coatign iron sure its not a exacting meathod butmaybe good enough to figure out a block rad res design that would work for a convection powered system hell if it only hits like 42 - 45 c under full load do you need to go any cooler? 1 thing about such a set up it would be nearly failure proof and it would give the first person to make a system that required no pump some damn good bragging rights. But any how makes me less spooked about pump failure now if i could just get over my fear of core crushing..... merry xmas all |
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12-25-2002, 12:53 PM
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Cooling Savant
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Ontario. Canada
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there is actually one being sold, should have added it to favorites  .its only a Rad, 80mm fan, and block but its CRAP, the water gets circulated by the heat, the only ploblem is that its worse then an HSF, the reason that that is that it needs heat to circulate the water thats why its only a 80mm fan, so the results were around 50c+. if they added a better fan, it would cool the water to much in the HC, it would circulate and you'd fry your chipthe kit does look really nice though, silver HC.....
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12-25-2002, 01:43 PM
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Thermophile
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A better fan should'nt stop it at all, it's the heat causing the rise on one side(over the core that is usualy the inlet
 ) which lets colder water go down the other side, the colder the water in the rad the more it'll want to gravitate towards the bottom where the heat is. I don't know how well (or if) blocks with a barb at each end would work, you need the barb over core design I think, large tubing helps as well I think...I don't know how much higher it would of gone if the alarm had'nt been set for 45DegC but it WAS under load, Safemode said he ran his for a week or so did'nt he?... |
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12-25-2002, 10:38 PM
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Cooling Savant
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http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showth...hreadid=149115
I already have an idea to test it all. I think my block would work decent as it's just straight thin fins (skived copper 1U heatsink). Just have a heatercore sitting sideways & parallel to side of case, hot goes in top side, cooler comes out bottom side. 120mm Panaflo or 24v Comair Patriot @ 12v for nice quiet fans. I just can't test that config with my current setup... but then again, I get heatercores for $12
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12-26-2002, 04:05 AM
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Thermophile
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Oh yeah!, my mobos laid out on its back at the moment, on a anti~static envelope, this helped probably with the heat going straight up the (usualy
 ) inlet...No reason why it would'nt work if laid out right, be good for a 24hr server... |
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12-26-2002, 05:42 AM
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Cooling Neophyte
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: usa
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um anti static as in the silvery ones heh if so your lucky you didnt smoke your mother board thoose things are electricaly conductive thats how they work.
They are the same as whats know to scientists as a farous cage meaning if lighting (in the case of the anti static bag a static discharge) goes around the object or person harmlessly. But the anti staic bags placed under a mother board thats powered on can and will short out your mother board. When you need to power up your mother board out side of a case use the pink foam stuff mother board normaly ship with to set it on antistatic bags are a no no |
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12-26-2002, 05:50 AM
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Cooling Savant
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Many many people have done this without problems. How can coloured plastic be electrically conductive? |
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12-26-2002, 06:12 AM
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Cooling Neophyte
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First im not talking about the ping ones and foa sleeves im talking about the silver/gray colored ones they are coated with a metalic substance that protects the mother board in the same was a farous cage protects a sientis whos is studying lighting.
Lighting strikes the cage and gets carried around the person inside. Anti static bag gets hit by a static discharge from you and gets carried around the out side of the bag to the other side or just dispersed. heres a link talking about the metalic coating on the bags in relation to unlocking a cpu noless http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/cpu...k/unlock.shtml |
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12-26-2002, 06:19 AM
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Cooling Savant
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First of all, that article isn't very accurate.
CMOS ICs (Sensitive to static) are often sold/packaged with there legs stuck through a piece of foil, it does not damage them... About the bags, I've never tried powering anything on one. Have you tested one with a multimetre? I just did (two different silvery ones), infinite resistance. No circuit path. That pretty much says it not a problem if you ask me. Also what do you say about the Clear ones with a black grid? |
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12-26-2002, 07:01 AM
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Thermophile
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It's a pink bubblewrap type one with a black grid, it's the one the mobo shipped in (Abit, KX7333R)...
I have a clear plastic jobbie with a black grid on, it has "Conductive Grid" printed on it, don't know whether it's surface or layered in between the plastic :shrug: ... I'd like to know for sure though... I'll use a mousemat from now on till I know what's what... |
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12-26-2002, 11:14 AM
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Cooling Neophyte
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the ones with the black grid and clear rest that normaly have the manufacture name on are fine the ones im talking about are the silver coated ones thoose wont show much on a multimeter if any thing at all just not enough juice passes through them but 5 or 12 sure as hell will got a short distance on them hell i seen one where it burnt holes in the bag. The pink bubble rap ones are fine you can use them to add support to the mother board ive done that my self cutting a spot out fro cpu and chip set of course.makes it nice when you have a larger than normaly mother board that may be able to arc agains the mobo tray. Not so much orf a problem now but in older enlite cases that didnt have stand offs for larger board the pink buble rap or pink foam backers came in handy alot. As for the acual need of anti static protection i dont know ive gotten zaped alot on every thing from cpu pins to mother boards and ram never seen any damage done im sure it can happen. if you realy want to test the current find your self a high mili amp 12 or 24 volt adapter 2k milli amp will do cut the end off seperate the strands of wires then hold the frayed wires to the bag and drag the other set around it should give you a nice burn mark Last edited by novaflare; 12-26-2002 at 11:21 AM. |
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12-26-2002, 01:44 PM
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Been /.'d... have you?
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I'm glad to know I'm not the only one with wild weasels who unplug everything they can ... i won't let them into my computer room ever since they learned how to turn off surge protectors and UPS systems (the last was a real shocker!). They also like unplugging my monitors when they have the chance (causing much swearing until I realize what happened). What is worse is when I'm chasing one off after plugging it back in, another will come behind me and unplug it again. It is like spec-ops for weasels.
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12-26-2002, 01:45 PM
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Been /.'d... have you?
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Ever since I coated all of my plugs with bitter apple, they've now learned to use their hands to unplug things. If they had opposable thumbs I think they would take over the world.
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12-26-2002, 01:49 PM
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Cooling Savant
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LOL, I'm glad that cats are way too low on the inteligence ladder...would grinded pepper help?
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12-26-2002, 02:03 PM
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Been /.'d... have you?
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Pepper just pisses them off, and then you are really in trouble. That's when they steal your wallet and keys and hide them under the couch or something.
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