anyone check out the new g5?

iroc409 · 06-24-2003, 07:33 AM

seems apple has caught up with the PC

JSimmons · 06-24-2003, 08:44 AM

The Macs are much more inviting since they moved to a Unix OS.

If I had the bucks, I'd switch in a heartbeat.

pHaestus · 06-24-2003, 09:07 AM

Too bad they didnt switch from Motorola to IBM chips a long time ago. The G5s look damn nice but $$$. $2000 for the baseline 1CPU unit; will be interesting to see how dual Opterons do vs. the Macs in workstations (whenever we get mobos with AGP)

iroc409 · 06-24-2003, 09:45 AM

ok, yeah, i just did a bunch of reading on the new g5, and it's a farce and apple is terrible.

their benchmarks were heavily optimized for the mac, and heavily UNoptimized for the intel. they even disabled HT, and a few other things that are almost a requirement with pc's.

and what's more sad, is the g5 is a (very poor constructed) version of the opteron, it shares a lot of technology that amd came up with. and apple will not even acknowledge that. they won't test the opteron vs g5, because it can't even come close.

not only that but apple is strait LYING. they're claiming they're the first 64bit desktop (which is actually a workstation-class, not a desktop), and they're claiming all the things they have added that the pcs have had for months are THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. like usb 2.0, agp 8x, and 400mhz ddr.

come on, these guys are lying out of their asses just to save themselves. the only thing they engineered was the case. they didn't even make the freaking OS that's supposed to be so great.

yeah, and what about all this power they have? 64bit OSX will not be released until months after the first boxes ship. in fact, amd will most likely ship the 2ghz opteron before apple does, so apple can't even claim that.

but they will, go look at their site. it is FULL of blatant lies.

i was actually starting to like apple, but not anymore. this is total bs. screw apple

iroc409 · 06-24-2003, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by pHaestus
Too bad they didnt switch from Motorola to IBM chips a long time ago. The G5s look damn nice but $$$. $2000 for the baseline 1CPU unit; will be interesting to see how dual Opterons do vs. the Macs in workstations (whenever we get mobos with AGP)

there are a couple opteron boards out already that run agp pro, if you can afford the $900 processor price tag, and the $450 motherboard.

SPEC tested the opteron vs. the g5, and it wasn't even pretty. the _dual_ g5 2ghz was like 2 points ahead of a SINGLE 1.8 opteron, and the dual opteron 1.8 totally spanked the 2ghz dual g5. apple hasn't come out with anything but a new case and a new set of lies.

JSimmons · 06-24-2003, 12:00 PM

Benchmarks can be twisted to suit anyone's needs.

The hardware ain't the fastest, but it's respectable. It's also quite pricey in relation to a comparably equipped intel box.

But the OS is to die for. I'd buy the OS if it was available for an intel box.

As long as you go in with your eyes open and not blinded by the hype, buying a Mac isn't that huge of a step.

ItsSoLARGE · 06-24-2003, 12:25 PM

but it's so cool looking....

bigben2k · 06-24-2003, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JSimmons
Benchmarks can be twisted to suit anyone's needs.

As long as you go in with your eyes open and not blinded by the hype, buying a Mac isn't that huge of a step.

There's a very long history of skewed benchmarks, between Intels and Apple. Intel's seemed to hold a slight lead for a while, but the supporting motherboard of the Apple does make it a better performing machine, IMO.

g.l.amour · 06-24-2003, 02:08 PM

ed from overlockers.com delved into the crap a little...

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00408/

Alchemy · 06-24-2003, 10:29 PM

I wonder how the benchmarks will look when it's tested against the processors and mainboards that will be available when the G5 hits the market. Apple doesn't even have pictures of a physical prototype available, which makes me wonder how long until they hit the stores.

I don't know much about CPU architecture and benchmarking, but it seems to me the only fair comparision between any two machines would be based on typical application operations.

I'm all about holistic benchmarking.

Anyway, I'm a fan of Apple (though I enjoy making fun of them). I think they've bested the PC market in regards to operating system stability, case architecture and silent cooling, and video editing with the G4s.

I would still never buy one.

Alchemy

SparkedFire · 06-24-2003, 10:57 PM

about benchmarking, why doesn't Apple run the dual chip G4 against a "true" dual chip Intel board.

Dual 2GHz mac -vs- "true" Dual P4 2GHz

the mac would be swamped out. Like most of you have said, benchmarking can be minipulated.

iroc409 · 06-25-2003, 09:36 AM

i read a review of a dual g4 1.25 vs. a dell p4 3.06 single, and the dell was faster.

it's not just that they skewed the benchmarks, that's done constantly. but i mean generally the skewed benchmarks are probably the _most_ skewed i've ever seen... not only did they heavily optimize it for the mac, but they severely crippled the PC they were testing. total bs.

and then they go parading around like they invented all of this stuff, things like 8x agp and usb 2.0, and that they're the first computer on the market to use these things.

and their claims about how it is _the_ fastest personal computer and all their other stupid claims that are hardly likely to happen.

screw apple. i've not seen such blatant lies in the computer world period, at least not by a company that every one of its followers believes it. maybe now that FreeBSD made OSX, adobe and macromedia will port their OSX apps to FreeBSD.

man, if a pc company did this, they'd be torn apart. apple does this, and they get praised.

i'm tired of fighting with mac people over this (i'm actually on a mac message board.. kinda small but most of them are cool). sorry apple, you almost got onto my desk, but not with this crap.

Pyrotechnic · 06-29-2003, 10:43 PM

They are apparently calling them "MacHammer"

Laaaaaammmmmmeeeeeeeeee

Seyeklopz · 06-29-2003, 11:30 PM

MacHammer, interesting. Anyone remember the old ad where the woman throws a big sledge hammer at a big scary screen? Old advertising remake warning...

iroc409 · 06-30-2003, 01:50 AM

it must not be apple calling them that, because jobs doesn't seem to want to have anything to do with amd, in comparative tests or in admittance he's using their tech.

if i were amd i'm not sure i'd want them called that because they are such de-tuned versions of the chip.

ah well, i'm almost over my rant. probably not going to get one of these for work at all... but i am thinking about getting like the bottom-end ibook because they're not too expensive, and *small* with a wonderful screen and long life battery. i'm just thinking it'd be a nice little toy to take with me to the coffee house and some trips where i won't be working, but need to stay in touch. haven't seen a pc that small that cheap. definitely not with the battery and screen. then again all i'm going to use it for is email, messenger clients, and web browsing

06-24-2003, 07:33 AM	#1
iroc409 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: midwest side, yo Posts: 596	anyone check out the new g5? seems apple has caught up with the PC __________________ :shrug:

06-24-2003, 08:44 AM	#2
JSimmons Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 4-sided room with an exit going east, and an exit going south Posts: 392	The Macs are much more inviting since they moved to a Unix OS. If I had the bucks, I'd switch in a heartbeat. __________________ My Watercooling Stuff

06-24-2003, 09:45 AM	#4
iroc409 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: midwest side, yo Posts: 596	ok, yeah, i just did a bunch of reading on the new g5, and it's a farce and apple is terrible. their benchmarks were heavily optimized for the mac, and heavily UNoptimized for the intel. they even disabled HT, and a few other things that are almost a requirement with pc's. and what's more sad, is the g5 is a (very poor constructed) version of the opteron, it shares a lot of technology that amd came up with. and apple will not even acknowledge that. they won't test the opteron vs g5, because it can't even come close. not only that but apple is strait LYING. they're claiming they're the first 64bit desktop (which is actually a workstation-class, not a desktop), and they're claiming all the things they have added that the pcs have had for months are THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. like usb 2.0, agp 8x, and 400mhz ddr. come on, these guys are lying out of their asses just to save themselves. the only thing they engineered was the case. they didn't even make the freaking OS that's supposed to be so great. yeah, and what about all this power they have? 64bit OSX will not be released until months after the first boxes ship. in fact, amd will most likely ship the 2ghz opteron before apple does, so apple can't even claim that. but they will, go look at their site. it is FULL of blatant lies. i was actually starting to like apple, but not anymore. this is total bs. screw apple __________________ :shrug:

06-24-2003, 12:00 PM	#6
JSimmons Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 4-sided room with an exit going east, and an exit going south Posts: 392	Benchmarks can be twisted to suit anyone's needs. The hardware ain't the fastest, but it's respectable. It's also quite pricey in relation to a comparably equipped intel box. But the OS is to die for. I'd buy the OS if it was available for an intel box. As long as you go in with your eyes open and not blinded by the hype, buying a Mac isn't that huge of a step. __________________ My Watercooling Stuff

06-24-2003, 12:25 PM	#7
ItsSoLARGE Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: So Cal Posts: 125	but it's so cool looking.... __________________ Plumber's Goop: The Watercooler's Duct Tape

06-24-2003, 09:07 AM	#3
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Too bad they didnt switch from Motorola to IBM chips a long time ago. The G5s look damn nice but $$$. $2000 for the baseline 1CPU unit; will be interesting to see how dual Opterons do vs. the Macs in workstations (whenever we get mobos with AGP)

06-24-2003, 02:08 PM	#9
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	ed from overlockers.com delved into the crap a little... http://www.overclockers.com/tips00408/ __________________ yo soy un tiburón

06-24-2003, 10:29 PM	#10
Alchemy Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Boston Posts: 238	I wonder how the benchmarks will look when it's tested against the processors and mainboards that will be available when the G5 hits the market. Apple doesn't even have pictures of a physical prototype available, which makes me wonder how long until they hit the stores. I don't know much about CPU architecture and benchmarking, but it seems to me the only fair comparision between any two machines would be based on typical application operations. I'm all about holistic benchmarking. Anyway, I'm a fan of Apple (though I enjoy making fun of them). I think they've bested the PC market in regards to operating system stability, case architecture and silent cooling, and video editing with the G4s. I would still never buy one. Alchemy Last edited by Alchemy; 06-25-2003 at 01:48 AM.

06-24-2003, 10:57 PM	#11
SparkedFire Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Matrix Posts: 114	about benchmarking, why doesn't Apple run the dual chip G4 against a "true" dual chip Intel board. Dual 2GHz mac -vs- "true" Dual P4 2GHz the mac would be swamped out. Like most of you have said, benchmarking can be minipulated. __________________ If you smell something odd coming from your puter, panic and run crazy. Shut her down and grab a towel. As to watercooling going mainstream: We are truely dedicated to it, we know everything, and we have perfected it.

06-25-2003, 09:36 AM	#12
iroc409 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: midwest side, yo Posts: 596	i read a review of a dual g4 1.25 vs. a dell p4 3.06 single, and the dell was faster. it's not just that they skewed the benchmarks, that's done constantly. but i mean generally the skewed benchmarks are probably the _most_ skewed i've ever seen... not only did they heavily optimize it for the mac, but they severely crippled the PC they were testing. total bs. and then they go parading around like they invented all of this stuff, things like 8x agp and usb 2.0, and that they're the first computer on the market to use these things. and their claims about how it is _the_ fastest personal computer and all their other stupid claims that are hardly likely to happen. screw apple. i've not seen such blatant lies in the computer world period, at least not by a company that every one of its followers believes it. maybe now that FreeBSD made OSX, adobe and macromedia will port their OSX apps to FreeBSD. man, if a pc company did this, they'd be torn apart. apple does this, and they get praised. i'm tired of fighting with mac people over this (i'm actually on a mac message board.. kinda small but most of them are cool). sorry apple, you almost got onto my desk, but not with this crap. __________________ :shrug:

06-29-2003, 10:43 PM	#13
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	They are apparently calling them "MacHammer" Laaaaaammmmmmeeeeeeeeee

06-29-2003, 11:30 PM	#14
Seyeklopz Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 94	MacHammer, interesting. Anyone remember the old ad where the woman throws a big sledge hammer at a big scary screen? Old advertising remake warning...

06-30-2003, 01:50 AM	#15
iroc409 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: midwest side, yo Posts: 596	it must not be apple calling them that, because jobs doesn't seem to want to have anything to do with amd, in comparative tests or in admittance he's using their tech. if i were amd i'm not sure i'd want them called that because they are such de-tuned versions of the chip. ah well, i'm almost over my rant. probably not going to get one of these for work at all... but i am thinking about getting like the bottom-end ibook because they're not too expensive, and small with a wonderful screen and long life battery. i'm just thinking it'd be a nice little toy to take with me to the coffee house and some trips where i won't be working, but need to stay in touch. haven't seen a pc that small that cheap. definitely not with the battery and screen. then again all i'm going to use it for is email, messenger clients, and web browsing __________________ :shrug:

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