92x92mm Heatercores?

[RedPhoenix]

Is there any 92x92mm fan heatercores... compact in size. It needs to fit inside a chieftec dragon full tower at the 92mm exhaust.

Just getting an idea. Is there any ?

[bigben2k]

Not from a car. You'd be looking at a custom made rad, similar to HWLabs BIMicro.

[HaloJones]

Thermochill make a 92x92 but I don't know if they are available in the US.

Here

[pHaestus]

Dangerden is now the US thermochill distributor. E-mail them and see if maybe they can get some 92mms in the next shipment?

[grimjaw]

I have been thinking of doing the same thing with my Antec sx1200 ( same case). I have found the heater core for a GEO Tracker would fit ,but it is very pricey. Thermochill may be a better choice.

[V12|V12]

okay... I'm sorry, but if I was ANY of you, I would NOT EVER EVER support These so-called cooling stores that sell these WAY WAY WAY overpriced Radiators or as everyone that's been to a scrap yard knows them as HEATER CORES! I just don't understand how some can claim their "Core" Is super designed just for PC's blah blah... my ass! This 86' Chevette HCore was NEVER EVER designed for a PC and would kick the sh!t outta any "Super-ICE-Platinum-blackout-EXtreme-hyper-chiller" Cooler these clowns can dig out of a scrap yard and polish up+paint, then JACK up the price by a factor of 7! I got my HCore for $8! I went out with a regular hammer, Chisel spike, hacksaw, tin snips and some mini-bolt cutter etc.. just some basic beat-the-hell outta something tool kit to get them out... Since it was summer HOT and I wasn't thrilled with staying in a car than might have a hornet's nest up in it! Took me a good 15-20min to dig it out and I cleaned it up at home, soldered my own Brass nips on it... total cost *Drum roll* HCore-$8, Gas to scrapyard ~$1, Tools Free, Nips $2, Cleaner $1@dollar store=$12 whoping dollars for either the SAME HCore or better than they can paint up!

And speaking of paint... That stuff just INSULATES heat! A nice acid cleaned+sanded HCore is shiny and beautiful on it's own! Stop patronizing these crooks, and get off yer ass and find a scrapyard... And don't tell me there isn't one around you, BULL there's ALWAYS some sort of broken down car/scrap area, unless you live in a Cave or Beverly Hills!

Lastly I must depart with-- "STOP IT, I'MMA COP, YEAH, TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER!"

[pHaestus]

Ah good to see that you don't let facts get in the way of a good rant. A challenge:

V12|V12 if you can find a heatercore for $8 in a scrapyard that is of exactly the same dimensions as a thermochill 120.2 or 120.3 or 92.1, then I will buy it from you for however much they are selling them. Should be no problem; for a company to exist on scrap heap scavenging then there must be tons of such cores out there ripe for the picking.

The fact that there are not and that the PC-sized rads are custom built for HWLabs and thermochill seems obvious to most. And to a few of us, the fact that there are 100 years worth of automobiles that use mostly standard sized cores with a huge and steady demand for replacements explains the fact that car heatercores are cheap. It isn't trivial to get a mfgr to retool a plant for a special size.

Closest car heatercore to a HWLabs design is a Geo Tracker core, and I think that they are as expensive as a BI Extreme...

[V12|V12]

Ah yes... I will conceed the rant part, I had to get it out! Since I didn't notice specific sizes, you got me on the smaller versions of HCores... Which I STILL believe on a vast knowledge of industrial costs and marketing, that a heater core that size does NOT have to cost $70 or anywhere near it! THe materials alone aren't worth $10. Okay that's a strech... But the processing and stamping/electro-brazing does not cost much either when mass produced, or if you're a worker with access, who's doing a little side work, which TONS of people in the manufacturing biz do, aka CNC-Block makers and what not (home cnc's need not rant ; ). The major cost is in the usage of high silver content brazing material/tinning flux... and if the company is smart and doing scrap and silver recovering/recycling, there isn't much scrap to go around to aid in a side customization... okay this is sounding way too technical....

Basically, I do not agree with paying $70 for something materially, and physcially doesn't require much work (machines do it ALL, except for inspection etc.) Oh yeah and since they don't really have to pay as much as a normal business does with ADVERTISING, which typically costs the most for manufactures, then I don't see it happening. The 92mm and I've seen 80mm are custom jobs, though it seems, but having marketing/sales work and experience, I KNOW there's always another side to the biz, and them ONLY making those smaller sizes for PC's wouldn't keep them afloat for any longer than a brick in oil. And they would cost MORE than $70... so I think it's ripoff and being that I've worked in the manufacturing industrial, along with my Dad, grandfather, cousin, and Uncle.... I KNOW how deceptive the field can be with there's a profit to make.... Though I did doubt the quality of product, I'm sure they are very well built and perform well also, but not $70's worth.... Not when my chevette core and my smaller and former Festiva core costs $8-10. My case is 17Hx7.8Wx18.L, by far not very big and I manage to fit the Chevette core |Pump |Tubes | 6 fans | 2HD's |Zip |Floppy |2 CDRWs| AND 3.5 PVC Res in it just fine with some space to spare, so anything smaller -- 92mm HCore seems point less, stick to air cooling if you can't make space... or make an external and portable solution... That's mean, but sorry, water cooling ain't for everyone and their space problems

PS- pHaestus, nothing personal, just standing by my position

Wait, I just noticed something else: http://www.pclincs.co.uk/acatalog/cp298.html follow that link and see how many cooling contradictions you find in that marketing article?

1) The picture alone shows that the "custom mounting" thingy blocks a considerable amount of Air flow.

2)

Unique dual fan shroud gives total air seal even between the fans!!, no loss air as with other designs.

Umm...just about EVERYONE who's read the forums or any for that matter KNOW that fans right on/near HC's produce MORE noise and less air flow/turbulence = LESS cooling

3)

13mm shroud standoff to minimise dead zone.

13mm is not minizing anything... more marketing spin

4)

The additional core depth & shroud stand off of the HE92.1 rivals the performance of many 120mm radiators!

Umm... do I really need to even bother with that statement? No.

Finally, what we have here is some clever marketing with a little spin doctoring thrown in for spice! All of the above is well proven nonsense in the forums time and time again... now HOW would a company/business that is "dedicated" or made for PC's make all of the most common assumptions with their marketing about water cooling? Have they read the forums, posted backing their reasoning? Not that I have seen. Seems like some folks got some good science reports and equations together, did a little math, made some nice pictures... then added marketing prowess and some serious spin... voila! Overpriced HCore shop away grasshoppers

[pHaestus]

Go to a factory, any factory. Ask them to stop their current production run and retool to make something similar but custom for you. The amount that the materials cost is irrelevant, as is the fact that the factories already have the skills and machinery needed. As I mentioned you'll find that custom or odd sized heatercores are often just as expensive as these PC cooling rads.

[jaydee]

V12 your argument is hypocritical in nature. Have you ever bought a peice of software? Or a CPU? or any other million's of other products... They are all marked WAY up. Some of them well boyond what these rads are marked up. My buddy is a design engineer that has been designing and building special heat exchangers for a couple years now. I asked him what a one off core 120mm x 120mm would cost and he said $500 on the low side and $1,000 on the high side. Then he said they wouldn't touch it anyways unless you ordered 1,000+ of them. Then the price would drop down to about $80-$100 each.

Also I pulled 4 cores from the scrap yard last year and will NEVER do it again. After days of cleaning they are still crammed with garbage and they have corrosion built up in them. It is stupid, yes I said stupid, to use a used heater core in a new water cooling loop. Especially if your using a Cascade or even a White Water. The jets and channels clog up in minutes.

If you want to half ass things then have at it though. Doing things right costs money.

[modtheplanet]

why are you guys pulling used heater cores, you can buy them new for just a couple bucks more.

use the heater core index, find one close to the size you need, build a shroud and mount your fan. We are modders are we ?

[jaydee]

Originally posted by modtheplanet
why are you guys pulling used heater cores, you can buy them new for just a couple bucks more.

use the heater core index, find one close to the size you need, build a shroud and mount your fan. We are modders are we ?

Maybe they are in your area, here a Chevette core is $30, the Ford Escort Core is $26 (+8.1% sales tax). Seems some are getting these for $10 less in places it doesn't snow. Heaters are used 1/2 the year up here, probably why the price hike. Non the less it would be better to buy a new core, rinse the manufacturing oils out and then put it in the loop.

Also not really on the modding bit. Only mods I do is for performance. Mods for looks are waste of time better spent on figuring out how to get better performance..... I and a couple others are only one's that see my computers daily. Non of which cares what it looks like as long as it works. Not to interested in the geek dick slinging contest, well at least not that one.

[decodeddiesel]

OK I must defend DTEK customs on this subject, I feel their remarked Heatercores are extremely competitive and very well done. This is comming from someone who owns 4 "water cooling radiators", a 1987 Ford Escort, a 1986 Ford Econoline High Output, a Hayden Oil cooler (still pissed I bought that), and a Dangerden Cube which was the first I bought. Their product is especially nice with the threaded fittings and the shroud they are offering. If you look at the price of a new in the box chevette heatercore vs their "Pro Radiators" it is very close especially given the mods to fit std. 1/4" NPT x 1/2" barbs and polishing. This is probably the only cooling store marketed heatercore/radiator I would ever buy.

Perhaps the only strictly designed for watercooling radiators I have seen that honestly seem to hold true to the claim is Copyman's product. It is very nice and a lot of work, designing, and detail went into it. Honestly it was a valid attempt at a purpose made pc watercooling radiator. However, if you are out of Brazil, and if you don't have about $200 you are SOL.

[V12|V12]

Jaydee116

Have you ever bought a peice of software? Or a CPU? or any other million's of other products...

It is stupid, yes I said stupid, to use a used heater core in a new water cooling loop. Especially if your using a Cascade or even a White Water. The jets and channels clog up in minutes.

If you want to half ass things then have at it though. Doing things right costs money.

Some interesting quotes there... I'm debating replying seriously?



In my aging days of social experience, I'll leave you with a VERY valuable quote; a piece of information readily available.

"Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending." Synonyms: tact, address, diplomacy, savoir-faire
These nouns denote the ability to deal with others with skill, sensitivity, and finesse. Tact implies propriety and the ability to speak or act unoffensively: “He had... a tact that would preserve him from flagrant error in any society” (Francis Parkman). Address suggests deftness and grace in social situations: “With the charms of beauty she combined the address of an accomplished intriguer” (Charles Merivale). Diplomacy implies adroit management of difficult situations: Diffusing the confrontation required delicate diplomacy. Savoir-faire involves knowing the right or graceful thing to say or do: The hosts set the shy visitor at ease with their savoir-faire." -TACT...read and learn! Have a nice day.

[jaydee]

Originally posted by V12|V12
Jaydee116


Some interesting quotes there... I'm debating replying seriously?

Ummm, whatever. This isn't halfassedcooling.com... We generally like to lead people in the right direction here. Not telling them to pull a corrosion and crap filled core from the scrap yard and put it into their new cooling loop and expect it to work flawlessly.

That was one of my more tactful posts for someone giving such advise BTW.

[V12|V12]

... I'm glad I didn't post my not so tactful response then... I'll just save it and admire it for what it is... Anyhow, bah, nm this just isn't worth stirring a pot... good day all.

[pHaestus]

haha yea I can see why people are always pissed off at Procooling...now that I think about it.

Please don't be mad V12|V12; here have a cookie.

(shhhhh everyone else wait and watch it's got ex lax in it)

[Joe]

Originally posted by V12|V12

Basically, I do not agree with paying $70 for something materially, and physcially doesn't require much work (machines do it ALL, except for inspection etc.)

Umm then dont buy them. I dont understand the need for people to buy flashing lights and LED fans for cases... But I dont need to freak out in threads over people just cause they choose to pay for the fancy "rice" for a case. they arent bad fans just not fans I like. very much like your bitch about the radiators.

If they are a bad product thats one thing, but your argument is just that they cost more than they are worth. So what. Many people have the money to buy such luxuries as a radiator of a specific size for their project.

[V12|V12]

Joe

Umm... I stopped my participation in this post a few replies back, why are you posting what has ALREADY been stated? Do you really feel the need to voice the obvious? It's not helping at all. I got jaydee's/Decodediesel's opinion, reasoning, enough said?

Talk about beating a dead horse.... have a nice day.

BTW- Thanks pHaestus... I see the clique uniting. Again, you also, have a nice day.

[Joe]

Some dead horses just cant take a hint and need to be beat a little bit more.

I am always for pitching in and helping kick that horse. also this was the first time I saw the thread and was amazed at your reasoning... or lack thereof

[V12|V12]

Ah, the battle for the last word? Man, honestly, you are being a jerk,... I just wanted to say my piece, I heard some reponses, respected what they had to say. Then you come along insulting, tactless, what's your problem? So... I have an opinion/rant that you don't agree with, being a jerk/smart-a$$ about it does NOTHING to change or influence my opinion, and frankly makes YOU out to be the lessor, "right" or "wrong." As a member of the staff, I would have expected you to set the mature example of either letting it go, or at least posting a resonable/respectable response, not a 14yr-old's rebuttal so your buddies can get short laughs... Good day.

[Joe]

last word

[Joe]

double last word

" or at least posting a resonable/respectable response"

Umm read my first post, it was reasonable, and respectable. But you freaked all out... and started the battle for the "last word".

I thought dead horses were quieter than this.

[mad mikee]

Last few posts got me chucklin but good

And the avatar still makes me smile

As for V12, can't ya see he's just messin w/ ya?:shrug:

Good night and a smilie to all

[jaydee]

Originally posted by V12|V12
As a member of the staff

LOL.... Ever wonder who's site this really is?

Doh, that damn that horse is getting bloody....