Block help

cougem · 05-12-2004, 01:53 AM

Hi, I've got an AMD 64 3000+, and I want a water block which I'm probably going to use with an MCP600, but if you recommended another pump that'd be OK.

I was originally going to go for an DD RBX 64 version, but some say that it doesn't cover the whole processor etc. and so it's not that great.

Still, it seems to score better than the Maze 4 regardless, is that true?

I was going to get an MCP600 with it, and a GPU block (though I haven't got a clue which) for my 9800XT, and maybe later on a Northbridge cooler. I'll have dual 120mm heatercores, soulsend's ones.

If anyone can recommend m good block(s) and if they want to argue with my fan choice it'd be a great help.

Oh I forgot, SILENCE IS IMPORTANT, I sleep by this thing

But performance shouldn't be sacrificed. (The MCP600 is quiet, right?)

OneMadPoptart · 05-12-2004, 02:48 AM

The RBX or the Whitewater from Dtek would be great blocks for you. It's true the RBX doesn't cover the entire chip, but I would say (estimate) it covers ~93% of the heat spreader, which includes 100% coverage of the most important part, the core. Long story short, it doesn't matter one bit on the A64's, so don't make that your only reason for ditching the RBX in favor of the WhiteWater. The RBX does out perform the Maze4, especially in high flow systems, which it sounds like you are going to have. At the level of flow you are looking at the RBX performs exactly as well as the WhiteWater, so my advice to you is check them both out and decide based on price and looks.

The MCP600 is a wonderful pump, and you should be very happy with it and would pair up very well with the WW or the RBX and a GPU block. I would recommend you ditch plans for a chipset waterblock unless you really really want to. Save some money and get a nice 3rd party one. The NB waterblock just adds heat into your water and is a flow killer in most setups.

Good luck!

-OMP

cougem · 05-15-2004, 07:30 AM

Now the TDX is out what would you say now?

pHaestus et al, would you say go for the TDX over the others since it's just like the RBX but easier?

Or for ultimate cooling should I go for the DTek whitewater?

I'll be using the MCP600 with this block, 2 heatercores, and a maze 4 gpu all in series.

Thanks people

HAL-9000 · 05-15-2004, 09:34 PM

Seems to me that the TDX is kind of like the Little River Cascade block, which is pretty friggin impressive little block. I have to admit, I like the TDX option to get the blank so you can drill your own inlet and experiment.

One block not included in your comparison that was just released however is the new Swifty, the MCW-6000. It looks intriguing. Its too bad I haven't seen a review from a credible review site yet, but I am waiting.

I am looking at buying a new block this week, and I'm kind of torn between the TDX and the Swiftech, or maybe a Little River if the price would drop to under $80.

cougem · 05-16-2004, 05:41 PM

Thanks man.

Anyone got anything to add to this? Unless the MCW6000 kicks ass I think it's going to be WW or TDX, but I'm really not sure which one with a Maze 4 in series and a MCP600.

Anyone able to help?

HAL-9000 · 05-17-2004, 02:04 PM

The performance curve of the MCP600 pump is more to the lower end for flow, but is higher pressure than your average pump like a Eheim or Hydor. So I guess the best block for you would be the one that makes the most use of high pressure impingement, and that is effective with a low volume flow. The TDX and WW blocks really shine with high volume waterflow, whereas the the thicker base pinned blocks seem to maximize cooling with low volume flow. At least that's the pattern I see with all the review data out there.

I bet the Swifty MCW6002 block would be the best bet in your rig. The new inlet design on it encourages high velocity impingement, and its got a thick base and mucho tiny pins. But I guess we need a good reviewer to put it through its paces before you (or I for that matter) could really make a judgement there. So really I'm just guessing!

cougem · 05-17-2004, 02:07 PM

Yeh quite, I heard pH's TDX nozzle roundup is going to examine the flow with different nozzle sets using diffeent pumps as well, so that should be a HUGE help. Maybe the TDX will shine when there more restrictive nozzles with the higher pressure pumps.

*crosses fingers*

kronchev · 05-17-2004, 02:11 PM

TDX

danner mag 3

go home happy

Blackeagle · 05-17-2004, 06:05 PM

Of the three choices you list I'd say the TDX. Ease of mounting as it's only 2 barbs and as good performance wise, or perhaps a shade better. Main thing would be the easier mounting, the 3 blocks are very close in performance.

kronchev · 05-18-2004, 01:14 AM

black: its an A64 so mouting doesnt seem a huge issue. they all will have to use the moutning plate that A64's have, and since theres no exposed core, theres no risk of crushing it as the weaky-sauce RBX had.

RedViper · 07-02-2004, 02:00 PM

I've been very pleased with my TDX. Both in terms of mounting and performance.

MaxxxRacer · 11-17-2004, 02:05 PM

Go with the TDX. easier to setup and about the same performance...

I also have a maze4gpu and it rocks.. running in series...

Cranky · 11-18-2004, 11:51 PM

mcw6002......is all i have to say , i love mine

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05-12-2004, 01:53 AM	#1
cougem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cambridge Uni Posts: 176	Block help - A64 style Hi, I've got an AMD 64 3000+, and I want a water block which I'm probably going to use with an MCP600, but if you recommended another pump that'd be OK. I was originally going to go for an DD RBX 64 version, but some say that it doesn't cover the whole processor etc. and so it's not that great. Still, it seems to score better than the Maze 4 regardless, is that true? I was going to get an MCP600 with it, and a GPU block (though I haven't got a clue which) for my 9800XT, and maybe later on a Northbridge cooler. I'll have dual 120mm heatercores, soulsend's ones. If anyone can recommend m good block(s) and if they want to argue with my fan choice it'd be a great help. Oh I forgot, SILENCE IS IMPORTANT, I sleep by this thing But performance shouldn't be sacrificed. (The MCP600 is quiet, right?) Last edited by cougem; 05-15-2004 at 07:30 AM.

05-12-2004, 02:48 AM	#2
OneMadPoptart Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 23	The RBX or the Whitewater from Dtek would be great blocks for you. It's true the RBX doesn't cover the entire chip, but I would say (estimate) it covers ~93% of the heat spreader, which includes 100% coverage of the most important part, the core. Long story short, it doesn't matter one bit on the A64's, so don't make that your only reason for ditching the RBX in favor of the WhiteWater. The RBX does out perform the Maze4, especially in high flow systems, which it sounds like you are going to have. At the level of flow you are looking at the RBX performs exactly as well as the WhiteWater, so my advice to you is check them both out and decide based on price and looks. The MCP600 is a wonderful pump, and you should be very happy with it and would pair up very well with the WW or the RBX and a GPU block. I would recommend you ditch plans for a chipset waterblock unless you really really want to. Save some money and get a nice 3rd party one. The NB waterblock just adds heat into your water and is a flow killer in most setups. Good luck! -OMP __________________ .: \|\| P4 2.8 800 @ 3.8 \|\| Gigabyte 8KNXP \|\| 1 Gig Crucial PC3200 \|\| ATI 9800 PRO 128 \|\| 2x WD 250GB RAID 0 \|\| :. .: \|\| Danger Den RBX, Zchip, and Maze4 GPU \|\| Black Ice Xtreme \|\| Eheim 1250 \|\| DD Fillport \|\| :. .: \|\| Antec TrueBlue 480 \|\| Modded Lian-Li PC65 \|\| :.

05-15-2004, 09:34 PM	#4
HAL-9000 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 202	Tdx... Seems to me that the TDX is kind of like the Little River Cascade block, which is pretty friggin impressive little block. I have to admit, I like the TDX option to get the blank so you can drill your own inlet and experiment. One block not included in your comparison that was just released however is the new Swifty, the MCW-6000. It looks intriguing. Its too bad I haven't seen a review from a credible review site yet, but I am waiting. I am looking at buying a new block this week, and I'm kind of torn between the TDX and the Swiftech, or maybe a Little River if the price would drop to under $80.

05-17-2004, 02:04 PM	#6
HAL-9000 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 202	MCP600 is low-flow high pressure The performance curve of the MCP600 pump is more to the lower end for flow, but is higher pressure than your average pump like a Eheim or Hydor. So I guess the best block for you would be the one that makes the most use of high pressure impingement, and that is effective with a low volume flow. The TDX and WW blocks really shine with high volume waterflow, whereas the the thicker base pinned blocks seem to maximize cooling with low volume flow. At least that's the pattern I see with all the review data out there. I bet the Swifty MCW6002 block would be the best bet in your rig. The new inlet design on it encourages high velocity impingement, and its got a thick base and mucho tiny pins. But I guess we need a good reviewer to put it through its paces before you (or I for that matter) could really make a judgement there. So really I'm just guessing!

05-15-2004, 07:30 AM	#3
cougem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cambridge Uni Posts: 176	Now the TDX is out what would you say now? pHaestus et al, would you say go for the TDX over the others since it's just like the RBX but easier? Or for ultimate cooling should I go for the DTek whitewater? I'll be using the MCP600 with this block, 2 heatercores, and a maze 4 gpu all in series. Thanks people

05-16-2004, 05:41 PM	#5
cougem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cambridge Uni Posts: 176	Thanks man. Anyone got anything to add to this? Unless the MCW6000 kicks ass I think it's going to be WW or TDX, but I'm really not sure which one with a Maze 4 in series and a MCP600. Anyone able to help?

05-17-2004, 02:07 PM	#7
cougem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cambridge Uni Posts: 176	Yeh quite, I heard pH's TDX nozzle roundup is going to examine the flow with different nozzle sets using diffeent pumps as well, so that should be a HUGE help. Maybe the TDX will shine when there more restrictive nozzles with the higher pressure pumps. crosses fingers

05-17-2004, 02:11 PM	#8
kronchev Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lawrenceville, NJ Posts: 254	TDX danner mag 3 go home happy __________________ Ghetto riggin'!

05-17-2004, 06:05 PM	#9
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	Of the three choices you list I'd say the TDX. Ease of mounting as it's only 2 barbs and as good performance wise, or perhaps a shade better. Main thing would be the easier mounting, the 3 blocks are very close in performance.

05-18-2004, 01:14 AM	#10
kronchev Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lawrenceville, NJ Posts: 254	black: its an A64 so mouting doesnt seem a huge issue. they all will have to use the moutning plate that A64's have, and since theres no exposed core, theres no risk of crushing it as the weaky-sauce RBX had. __________________ Ghetto riggin'!

07-02-2004, 02:00 PM	#11
RedViper Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 60	I've been very pleased with my TDX. Both in terms of mounting and performance.

11-17-2004, 02:05 PM	#12
MaxxxRacer Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 310	Go with the TDX. easier to setup and about the same performance... I also have a maze4gpu and it rocks.. running in series... __________________ Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler.

11-18-2004, 11:51 PM	#13
Cranky Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: texas Posts: 92	mcw6002......is all i have to say , i love mine

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