Maze4-1: can it be used without the peltier?

killernoodle · 05-26-2004, 12:09 PM

Hey, there is a 4-1 GPU block on ebay and I was wondering if the TEC and coldplate could be removed and it just be used as a straight watercooler? I would play around with the TEC for a while, but I dont see it being permanent (maybe).

Finally going to do some stuff to my 9800 pro. Did the 9800xt soft mod today, worked great. I plan on giving it some extra juice with a volt mod and overclocking it some more. I think it needs more cooling and I'm not in the mood to do any block building. (dont have enough time anyways).

kronchev · 05-26-2004, 01:59 PM

i dont see why not but ask dangerden themselves

pHaestus · 05-26-2004, 02:06 PM

Yes the Maze4 and 4-1 are identical other than the coldplate and hardware

AngryAlpaca · 05-26-2004, 05:45 PM

I believe the cold plate can be removed, so yes, it will be fine on its own.

killernoodle · 05-26-2004, 11:33 PM

Cool thanks. I was hoping so. I thought maybe the 4-1 didnt have the raised portion to accomidate the shim because it wouldnt allow full contact with the peltier, but I guess it'll be alright.

killernoodle · 05-26-2004, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by killernoodle

Cool thanks. I was hoping so. I thought maybe the 4-1 didnt have the raised portion to accomidate the shim because it wouldnt allow full contact with the peltier, but I guess it'll be alright.

Shit, nevermind...

"The upper section of the unit is a Maze4GPU, but with a completely smooth outer base rather than one with a raised and lapped core-contact surface."

Oh well, it'll still work I think. Does the raised part need to be raised for the 9800pro? I remember the 9700pro had problems, but did they fix that or am I going to have to remove the shim?

killernoodle · 05-26-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by killernoodle

Shit, nevermind...

"The upper section of the unit is a Maze4GPU, but with a completely smooth outer base rather than one with a raised and lapped core-contact surface."

Oh well, it'll still work I think. Does the raised part need to be raised for the 9800pro? I remember the 9700pro had problems, but did they fix that or am I going to have to remove the shim?

Nevermind again... Just busted out my other 9800pro and checked the core. Seems like it is raised slightly from the shim, as tested with a pretty nice stainless steel ruler I have lying around. Gonna check tomorrow with something more precise, but I have tried several spots on the ruler and the GPU is clearly higher than the shim.

AngryAlpaca · 05-27-2004, 08:27 AM

Wait GPU?! Oh shit. Nevermind then. (Eeh... This phrase is a bit overused...) Why would the GPU be higher than the shim? What then is the point of the shim?

Joe Camel · 05-27-2004, 08:53 AM

if the shim is a problem (and you dont plan on RMAing it...using a TEC to cool it id assume you wont be

) you "can" remove the shim with a razorblade or pocket knife...just know that when the knife breaks the "glue" of the shim its heading towards the core...fast. ive removed 2x 9800's and 1x 9700 that way. (no damage to any of my cores

)

GOOD LUCK

killernoodle · 05-27-2004, 09:45 AM

No, in the 9700 pros there was a problem with the shim being too high and the heatsinks couldnt touch the core. I'd rather the shim be on there with all that mass of copper and water and torque from the tubes. In my 9800, the core is slightly higher than the shim (if you put a ruler across it it wobbles slightly, but not so much that a shim wouldnt help.

05-26-2004, 12:09 PM	#1
killernoodle Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,014	Maze4-1: can it be used without the peltier? Hey, there is a 4-1 GPU block on ebay and I was wondering if the TEC and coldplate could be removed and it just be used as a straight watercooler? I would play around with the TEC for a while, but I dont see it being permanent (maybe). Finally going to do some stuff to my 9800 pro. Did the 9800xt soft mod today, worked great. I plan on giving it some extra juice with a volt mod and overclocking it some more. I think it needs more cooling and I'm not in the mood to do any block building. (dont have enough time anyways). __________________ I have a nice computer.

05-26-2004, 01:59 PM	#2
kronchev Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lawrenceville, NJ Posts: 254	i dont see why not but ask dangerden themselves __________________ Ghetto riggin'!

05-26-2004, 11:33 PM	#5
killernoodle Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,014	Cool thanks. I was hoping so. I thought maybe the 4-1 didnt have the raised portion to accomidate the shim because it wouldnt allow full contact with the peltier, but I guess it'll be alright. __________________ I have a nice computer.

05-27-2004, 08:53 AM	#9
Joe Camel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 51	if the shim is a problem (and you dont plan on RMAing it...using a TEC to cool it id assume you wont be ) you "can" remove the shim with a razorblade or pocket knife...just know that when the knife breaks the "glue" of the shim its heading towards the core...fast. ive removed 2x 9800's and 1x 9700 that way. (no damage to any of my cores ) GOOD LUCK __________________ JoeCamel is F@H for ....A CURE!! (40+ GHz) A64 Phase cooled: FX-55 @ 3204MHz (267x12) - MSI Neo2 - MachII - OCZ DDR Booster & VX @ 3.6V , 267 @ 2,2,2,5 1:1 - x800 XT-PE @ 665/608 - DD Maze4 with 172w TEC 14V TEC PSU - 500W X-Connect PSU A64 Water cooled: 3500 Venice @ 3000MHz (300x10) - DFI LP Ultra-D - Storm G5, D4 pump @ 16V, BIXII, 4x100+ CFM fans - OCZ VX @ 3.6V , 300 5:6 = 250 @ 2,2,2,6 - x850 XT @ 600/630 - socket A HSF & 80mm Tornado , copper mem sinks - OCZ 600W PSU

05-27-2004, 09:45 AM	#10
killernoodle Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,014	No, in the 9700 pros there was a problem with the shim being too high and the heatsinks couldnt touch the core. I'd rather the shim be on there with all that mass of copper and water and torque from the tubes. In my 9800, the core is slightly higher than the shim (if you put a ruler across it it wobbles slightly, but not so much that a shim wouldnt help. __________________ I have a nice computer.

05-26-2004, 02:06 PM	#3
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Yes the Maze4 and 4-1 are identical other than the coldplate and hardware

05-26-2004, 05:45 PM	#4
AngryAlpaca Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 631	I believe the cold plate can be removed, so yes, it will be fine on its own.

05-27-2004, 08:27 AM	#8
AngryAlpaca Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 631	Wait GPU?! Oh shit. Nevermind then. (Eeh... This phrase is a bit overused...) Why would the GPU be higher than the shim? What then is the point of the shim?

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