I need help and badly!!!

phill9700 · 05-24-2003, 09:40 AM

no sooner have i changed my epox board for a abit NF7-s like i said i would, im having yet more problems with that than i ever thought possible!
now i have changed a total of three cpus out of it to see if there would be any differences in the amount of overclockablity in them (they are all xp1700s) and im having, i must say some very weird problems..
for starters this last cpu that i have put in, the temp reading from the bios is telling me its at about 58C.. (after a few minutes) i know for a FACT its nowhere near that, as on the cpu heatsink, i can physically put my finger on it and its not that hot at all. whilst i was in the bios, the machine shut itself down, just like a click of a mouse..
i have set the shut down temps for 70C and the one in the soft set menu is at about 85C. so why is this shutting down? on my epox board the cpu temps of the xp1700 i had in the board never went above 50C, never. but now it seems to be a regular thing happening.. but as of now when its shut itself down, i cant seem to get it to turn on again. great eh? also the warning temp is set at 65C, i never had any sign of warnings or anything.. it just shut itself down.. also, it never said it got to 65C either...
i have no idea whats going on with this board, i have had so much trouble getting this board today its unreal.. but its even worse then the epox board for everything, overclocking, stabilty and more importantly, actually working!!
something is definitly wrong with this board, has anyone really got any sugguestions on what it could be? its a brand new board, bios hasnt been flashed or anything, its running out of the box....
when i was trying to overclock the cpu, the voltage wasnt high at all (never above 1.8v) same as the vdimm (never above 2.8v) and same with the chip set.. so why is it performing so bad? the board wont boot with the same cpu that was in the epox with the same settings, it wont run at half the settings that the epox did and when trying to overclock it slightly higher than 200fsb.. all i get is problems..
please please please please please, can someone give me some insight as to what is happening with this apparently, great board..
oh and yes the heat sink is on right and there is thermal paste on the cpu...
before the below problem, with a 1.55V setting, cpu set to 2ghz (10x200) it was under load using folding 3.24 and was reading at 50C.. and now its reading the temp at -48C in the bios and in Windows XP using the Motherboard monitor 5 program.. something isnt right here guys... please help me!!
oh and i have just noticed after taking the board out of the case and putting it back in the box, the thermal probe aint there!! what the hecks going on!?!?!?!

airspirit · 05-24-2003, 11:04 AM

I had a board that did similar stuff. Do an RMA. That is NOT typical behavior, and it is definitely motherboard related.

phill9700 · 05-24-2003, 11:10 AM

i was thinking it was the board.. something definitley wasnt right, as of now, its not even in the tower, its been put in its box and it going to be sent back..
oh is the board normally meant to be better than the 8RDA+ ?? i cant seem to get good fsb 'scores' (if you pardon the phase) with either of them, maximum is 206 that is stable.. i have the corsair XMS 3200 TWINX LL memory stuff..

tim-may · 05-27-2003, 10:07 PM

sorry, dont want to seem like a jack ass, but could you have possibly had the heatsink on backwards? it has happened to a cousin of mine, same exact symptoms you are describing. he had a thermaltake volcano 6+ or 7+

best of luck with the RMA i guess...

phill9700 · 05-28-2003, 01:51 AM

nah it wasnt nothing to do with that.. i have lost a cpu before, but this time, it had nothing to do with the fan being on the wrong way.. if it had it would have gone straight away rather than 5 minutes later.. wouldnt it have?
hopefully they will tell me i have the board coming back, i should hope bloody so after what i had to go through to get the stupid thing!! (oh the abit is going back as well due to being pants)

bigben2k · 05-28-2003, 08:35 AM

I believe that what Tim-May was referring to, is the upside down mount of the HSF, which allows the base to sit on the CAM box of the socket.

You wouldn't see CPU death right away, just very high temps, which trigger an auto shut down, if the mobo is so equipped.

phill9700 · 05-28-2003, 09:36 AM

well the cpu is still working so its not dead, the only thing i could think of is that the motherboard was having a funny turn or something and just shut down anyway.. i dont really understand why it did that.. it wasnt near its temperature (65C for the warning and 70C for the actual shut down.. i think it was about 58C at the time...)

tim-may · 05-28-2003, 01:25 PM

ben nailed it. if you look on the bottom of the heat sink, that milled out section that is supposed to match up with the raised part of the socket, just imagine a 180 turn with it. it would make some contact, but it wouldnt be good enough to even boot to windows. i think my cousin had his comp going for ~30 seconds before it thermaled out on him.

phill9700 · 05-29-2003, 09:04 AM

it had been on for a long time previous to that anyway... 2 - 3 hours +

05-24-2003, 09:40 AM	#1
phill9700 Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northam, South West Of England Posts: 155	I need help and badly!!! no sooner have i changed my epox board for a abit NF7-s like i said i would, im having yet more problems with that than i ever thought possible! now i have changed a total of three cpus out of it to see if there would be any differences in the amount of overclockablity in them (they are all xp1700s) and im having, i must say some very weird problems.. for starters this last cpu that i have put in, the temp reading from the bios is telling me its at about 58C.. (after a few minutes) i know for a FACT its nowhere near that, as on the cpu heatsink, i can physically put my finger on it and its not that hot at all. whilst i was in the bios, the machine shut itself down, just like a click of a mouse.. i have set the shut down temps for 70C and the one in the soft set menu is at about 85C. so why is this shutting down? on my epox board the cpu temps of the xp1700 i had in the board never went above 50C, never. but now it seems to be a regular thing happening.. but as of now when its shut itself down, i cant seem to get it to turn on again. great eh? also the warning temp is set at 65C, i never had any sign of warnings or anything.. it just shut itself down.. also, it never said it got to 65C either... i have no idea whats going on with this board, i have had so much trouble getting this board today its unreal.. but its even worse then the epox board for everything, overclocking, stabilty and more importantly, actually working!! something is definitly wrong with this board, has anyone really got any sugguestions on what it could be? its a brand new board, bios hasnt been flashed or anything, its running out of the box.... when i was trying to overclock the cpu, the voltage wasnt high at all (never above 1.8v) same as the vdimm (never above 2.8v) and same with the chip set.. so why is it performing so bad? the board wont boot with the same cpu that was in the epox with the same settings, it wont run at half the settings that the epox did and when trying to overclock it slightly higher than 200fsb.. all i get is problems.. please please please please please, can someone give me some insight as to what is happening with this apparently, great board.. oh and yes the heat sink is on right and there is thermal paste on the cpu... before the below problem, with a 1.55V setting, cpu set to 2ghz (10x200) it was under load using folding 3.24 and was reading at 50C.. and now its reading the temp at -48C in the bios and in Windows XP using the Motherboard monitor 5 program.. something isnt right here guys... please help me!! oh and i have just noticed after taking the board out of the case and putting it back in the box, the thermal probe aint there!! what the hecks going on!?!?!?! __________________ NF7-S Rev 2 XP1700 @ 2.45ghz (11.5x213fsb) @ 1.8vcore (bios setting) Memory timings at cas 2 2-2-6 @ 2.7Vdimm (memory divider set to 3/3) IBM Deskstar 80gig ata100 hard drive Pioneer dvd-rom/dvd-rw Xaser 2 case modded with 120mm side fan Thermalright SLK-900U + 92mmm Tornado fan Vantec 205SL Fan controller (controlling the 120mm fan and Tornado) Enermax 460W PSU Geforce 3 Ti 200 64mb

05-24-2003, 11:04 AM	#2
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I had a board that did similar stuff. Do an RMA. That is NOT typical behavior, and it is definitely motherboard related. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

05-24-2003, 11:10 AM	#3
phill9700 Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northam, South West Of England Posts: 155	i was thinking it was the board.. something definitley wasnt right, as of now, its not even in the tower, its been put in its box and it going to be sent back.. oh is the board normally meant to be better than the 8RDA+ ?? i cant seem to get good fsb 'scores' (if you pardon the phase) with either of them, maximum is 206 that is stable.. i have the corsair XMS 3200 TWINX LL memory stuff.. __________________ NF7-S Rev 2 XP1700 @ 2.45ghz (11.5x213fsb) @ 1.8vcore (bios setting) Memory timings at cas 2 2-2-6 @ 2.7Vdimm (memory divider set to 3/3) IBM Deskstar 80gig ata100 hard drive Pioneer dvd-rom/dvd-rw Xaser 2 case modded with 120mm side fan Thermalright SLK-900U + 92mmm Tornado fan Vantec 205SL Fan controller (controlling the 120mm fan and Tornado) Enermax 460W PSU Geforce 3 Ti 200 64mb

05-27-2003, 10:07 PM	#4
tim-may Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 161	sorry, dont want to seem like a jack ass, but could you have possibly had the heatsink on backwards? it has happened to a cousin of mine, same exact symptoms you are describing. he had a thermaltake volcano 6+ or 7+ best of luck with the RMA i guess... __________________ AMD Althon XP 1700+ JUIHB 0302 @ 2Ghz (air cooled) 10.5 Multiplier X 191 FSB = 2005 Epox 8RDA OCZ PC3500 512mb EL (SYNC CAS2-2-2-4-2) eVGA Ti4200 64mb @ 285/570 (stock air cooling) Antec True550 Antec True430 for 220w pelt

05-28-2003, 01:51 AM	#5
phill9700 Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northam, South West Of England Posts: 155	i did check that bit, but no it was on right!! nah it wasnt nothing to do with that.. i have lost a cpu before, but this time, it had nothing to do with the fan being on the wrong way.. if it had it would have gone straight away rather than 5 minutes later.. wouldnt it have? hopefully they will tell me i have the board coming back, i should hope bloody so after what i had to go through to get the stupid thing!! (oh the abit is going back as well due to being pants) __________________ NF7-S Rev 2 XP1700 @ 2.45ghz (11.5x213fsb) @ 1.8vcore (bios setting) Memory timings at cas 2 2-2-6 @ 2.7Vdimm (memory divider set to 3/3) IBM Deskstar 80gig ata100 hard drive Pioneer dvd-rom/dvd-rw Xaser 2 case modded with 120mm side fan Thermalright SLK-900U + 92mmm Tornado fan Vantec 205SL Fan controller (controlling the 120mm fan and Tornado) Enermax 460W PSU Geforce 3 Ti 200 64mb

05-28-2003, 08:35 AM	#6
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I believe that what Tim-May was referring to, is the upside down mount of the HSF, which allows the base to sit on the CAM box of the socket. You wouldn't see CPU death right away, just very high temps, which trigger an auto shut down, if the mobo is so equipped. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

05-28-2003, 09:36 AM	#7
phill9700 Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northam, South West Of England Posts: 155	well the cpu is still working so its not dead, the only thing i could think of is that the motherboard was having a funny turn or something and just shut down anyway.. i dont really understand why it did that.. it wasnt near its temperature (65C for the warning and 70C for the actual shut down.. i think it was about 58C at the time...) __________________ NF7-S Rev 2 XP1700 @ 2.45ghz (11.5x213fsb) @ 1.8vcore (bios setting) Memory timings at cas 2 2-2-6 @ 2.7Vdimm (memory divider set to 3/3) IBM Deskstar 80gig ata100 hard drive Pioneer dvd-rom/dvd-rw Xaser 2 case modded with 120mm side fan Thermalright SLK-900U + 92mmm Tornado fan Vantec 205SL Fan controller (controlling the 120mm fan and Tornado) Enermax 460W PSU Geforce 3 Ti 200 64mb

05-28-2003, 01:25 PM	#8
tim-may Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 161	ben nailed it. if you look on the bottom of the heat sink, that milled out section that is supposed to match up with the raised part of the socket, just imagine a 180 turn with it. it would make some contact, but it wouldnt be good enough to even boot to windows. i think my cousin had his comp going for ~30 seconds before it thermaled out on him. __________________ AMD Althon XP 1700+ JUIHB 0302 @ 2Ghz (air cooled) 10.5 Multiplier X 191 FSB = 2005 Epox 8RDA OCZ PC3500 512mb EL (SYNC CAS2-2-2-4-2) eVGA Ti4200 64mb @ 285/570 (stock air cooling) Antec True550 Antec True430 for 220w pelt

05-29-2003, 09:04 AM	#9
phill9700 Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northam, South West Of England Posts: 155	it had been on for a long time previous to that anyway... 2 - 3 hours + __________________ NF7-S Rev 2 XP1700 @ 2.45ghz (11.5x213fsb) @ 1.8vcore (bios setting) Memory timings at cas 2 2-2-6 @ 2.7Vdimm (memory divider set to 3/3) IBM Deskstar 80gig ata100 hard drive Pioneer dvd-rom/dvd-rw Xaser 2 case modded with 120mm side fan Thermalright SLK-900U + 92mmm Tornado fan Vantec 205SL Fan controller (controlling the 120mm fan and Tornado) Enermax 460W PSU Geforce 3 Ti 200 64mb

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