Help with new set up

Gantor · 04-17-2004, 05:57 PM

here goes: iwaki 20RLZT, 1/2in ID Tygon, Swifteck MCW5002-P,MCW50, Dual heatcore Fedco 2-342 one pass, have 2 of them don't know if i should use one or two, shrouds and panaflow fans 2 on each,Case LIanLI PC75. This would be an upgrade from the stock Swiftech kit except I had two of the small radiators. This is one of my many questions.

1. Should I use a more restrictive block or is this a good non restrictive set up.

2. Any recommendations on how to loop the MCW50 with 1/2 in OD Quick Connects in this setup

3. Should I use a bay resevoir or a large tube resevoir and why. Will feeding and bleeding be easier that with the Swiftech 5 1/2 in bay tray.

4. Will this be a good set up?

Thanks for any help. Need some advice before installation. Be brutal you guy's ARE the best love this forum.Sorry about the gay thing

AngryAlpaca · 04-17-2004, 07:58 PM

Your pump has 6 meters of head. You are wasting your pump with that block. You will likely get the maximum flow of that pump. Get a more restrictive block, please. You get the adaptors for the MCW50. I dislike bay reservoirs, but that's just opinion. It will be a fairly good setup.

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Be brutal you gays ARE the best love this forum.

Umm... Did you just call us gay?

bigben2k · 04-17-2004, 08:20 PM

It's more than plenty. In fact, you're all set for a TEC upgrade, if you decide to go that route.

pHaestus · 04-17-2004, 08:37 PM

Here's a perhaps helpful graph:

http://phaestus.procooling.com/temp/secrate.jpg

See that the MCW5000-A performance curve is very flat. You don't really get any benefit from using a pump that can produce 2.5-3GPM on this block (unlike the thin bp blocks that start to pull away from the Swiftech at high flow rates). That doesn't necessarily make the Iwaki pump a waste though; looks like you are set up for using a peltier and so having a reliable industrial-quality pump isn't a bad thing from a reliability/MTBF standpoint.

I'd run both heatercores in parallel (use Ys to split them) and then run the MCW5002 and MC50 in series. You are also considering pelting the GPU? If you are going to peltier CPU then you might as well right?

Swiftech makes 1/2" ID hose barb adapters for the MC50; that's what I'd connect it to my 1/2" loop with.

Gantor · 04-17-2004, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AngryAlpaca

Your pump has 6 meters of head. You are wasting your pump with that block. You will likely get the maximum flow of that pump. Get a more restrictive block, please. You get the adaptors for the MCW50. I dislike bay reservoirs, but that's just opinion. It will be a fairly good setup. Umm... Did you just call us gay?

NO Sorry and Y which block??? I plan to put the red on top inside the case i thought a Iwaki would give me the freedom to chang blocks or move it out of the case one day.

AngryAlpaca · 04-17-2004, 10:03 PM

It's technically fine, but I feel you're wasting the potential of the pump.

Gantor · 04-17-2004, 10:15 PM

[quote=bigben2k]It's more than plenty. In fact, you're all set for a TEC upgrade, if you decide to go that route.[/QU

not over kill i hope if i did go TEC how many watts with just one of the Heatcores.

Gantor · 04-17-2004, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AngryAlpaca

It's technically fine, but I feel you're wasting the potential of the pump.

What can i do to make that better i like to get this right before I start even if i have to buy some thing new and thanks for the replys like all your thought's.Good block for this pump is ???????????????

AngryAlpaca · 04-17-2004, 10:56 PM

Well, upgrading to a WW will improve your temperatures by 5-6C. Consider that. It might be worth it, it might not be, as I don't know the value of a secondhand 5002.

Gantor · 04-17-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AngryAlpaca

Well, upgrading to a WW will improve your temperatures by 5-6C. Consider that. It might be worth it, it might not be, as I don't know the value of a secondhand 5002.

WW thanks the Cascade is fine too right? Hard to find. I'll keep looking. Heatcore one on top of case (inside) or 2 (outside) the case in a box. If on top will I experience any trouble? T Line or closed loop, tube res, Bay res,how big the tubing at the in take if I have 1\2in ID in all the loops 2 right now I was thinking 5/8 need your thoughts on all this thanks for the help going crazy trying to rap this up.

pHaestus · 04-17-2004, 11:46 PM

I like 2 in an external box:

http://phaestus.procooling.com/radbox2.jpg

Gantor · 04-17-2004, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pHaestus

I like 2 in an external box:

http://phaestus.procooling.com/radbox2.jpg

Thats the thing the box thinking of one just drives me crazy I donet think thy make one for this if i dont fined one one heatcore on top of case will have to do.

pHaestus · 04-17-2004, 11:59 PM

I bought a spare Lian Li front bezel for $20 somewhere online and made the rest of the frame out of angle aluminum (Home Depot) plus pop rivets.

Gantor · 04-18-2004, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pHaestus

I bought a spare Lian Li front bezel for $20 somewhere online and made the rest of the frame out of angle aluminum (Home Depot) plus pop rivets.

I do have a PC60 think i can do somthing with that? with out killing the case or can enyone show me were to get something must look good or Mod the PC60 for 2 heatcores. One in the case is starting to look good to me i need to think.........

Gooserider · 04-18-2004, 10:23 PM

Your pump is WAY overkill for the rest of the setup as is. I would suggest going for a WW or a Cascade if you can get it. You also have plenty of capacity to cool anything else in your system that gets warm.

In nearly any cooling setup the biggest barrier on improving the cooling is the transfer of heat from the rad to the air. You will transfer the most heat by sucking ambient (room temp) air through the rad, as opposed to putting air through the rad that has already been somewhat warmed by going through the PC case. This would suggest that putting the rad in the top of the case is not the best approach (also this will tend to make the rad catch air)

Dual rads in your setup is again overkill, but since you have them, I would say you might as well use them. I would probably make a custom box out of wood or MDF with the two rads at the front, plumbed in parallel, the pump and the res in the center of the box near the bottom, and the fans near the back blowing out. Seal the box except for the fans and the rads so that the box acts like a giant shroud. From the box run two tubes w/ quick disconnects to the system box which would only have the blocks and their plumbing in it. Seal the system box except for the lower front and the PSU which should provide enough airflow to cool the rest of the system.

As to plumbing the blocks, I'd put them all in series given your pumps capacity and the blocks you are using. If you went to a multi outlet block like a WW or Cascade, I would consider running everything into the CPU and then splitting the flow through the lesser blocks, using the CPU block as a splitter in effect.

I would avoid the bay type res, I've seen lots of reports of them leaking, and that they are a pain to fill. If you go with the custom rad box like I suggested, you'd have lots of room to be creative. I would probably go with something custom built out of fat PVC that hooked directly to the pump inlet, but there are lots of options.

Gooserider

Gantor · 04-24-2004, 01:16 AM

Thanks for custom box out of MDF need to get to work on that will look good to with nice black paint.Thanks a lot just what i need.

Pump way overkill. If i get a WW will that balanc things out or should I do the NB cooling and now that I see the mcw6000 how would that be. WOW anything more I can do to work this pump and this is a good pump for this or should I start over if good Y is it overkill that cant be bad or is it good head good name good pump??

Thank again PCV should work but hooked directly to the pump inlet how and with barb or free flow how big for this pump and YES that be the thing to do if I can work it out.

Are too Heatcores to much even if you OC. Will one do

Is it OK to have it all outside the case on the flloor till I make a box. got to see what it can do first after I rethink this .THANKS THANKS Keep it coming please will take picks when done if ever.

04-17-2004, 05:57 PM	#1
Gantor Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: PA Posts: 11	Help with new set up here goes: iwaki 20RLZT, 1/2in ID Tygon, Swifteck MCW5002-P,MCW50, Dual heatcore Fedco 2-342 one pass, have 2 of them don't know if i should use one or two, shrouds and panaflow fans 2 on each,Case LIanLI PC75. This would be an upgrade from the stock Swiftech kit except I had two of the small radiators. This is one of my many questions. 1. Should I use a more restrictive block or is this a good non restrictive set up. 2. Any recommendations on how to loop the MCW50 with 1/2 in OD Quick Connects in this setup 3. Should I use a bay resevoir or a large tube resevoir and why. Will feeding and bleeding be easier that with the Swiftech 5 1/2 in bay tray. 4. Will this be a good set up? Thanks for any help. Need some advice before installation. Be brutal you guy's ARE the best love this forum.Sorry about the gay thing Last edited by Gantor; 04-17-2004 at 09:38 PM.

04-17-2004, 08:20 PM	#3
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	It's more than plenty. In fact, you're all set for a TEC upgrade, if you decide to go that route. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

04-17-2004, 08:37 PM	#4
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Here's a perhaps helpful graph: http://phaestus.procooling.com/temp/secrate.jpg See that the MCW5000-A performance curve is very flat. You don't really get any benefit from using a pump that can produce 2.5-3GPM on this block (unlike the thin bp blocks that start to pull away from the Swiftech at high flow rates). That doesn't necessarily make the Iwaki pump a waste though; looks like you are set up for using a peltier and so having a reliable industrial-quality pump isn't a bad thing from a reliability/MTBF standpoint. I'd run both heatercores in parallel (use Ys to split them) and then run the MCW5002 and MC50 in series. You are also considering pelting the GPU? If you are going to peltier CPU then you might as well right? Swiftech makes 1/2" ID hose barb adapters for the MC50; that's what I'd connect it to my 1/2" loop with. __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

04-17-2004, 11:46 PM	#11
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	I like 2 in an external box: http://phaestus.procooling.com/radbox2.jpg __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

04-17-2004, 11:59 PM	#13
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	I bought a spare Lian Li front bezel for $20 somewhere online and made the rest of the frame out of angle aluminum (Home Depot) plus pop rivets. __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

04-17-2004, 10:03 PM	#6
AngryAlpaca Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 631	It's technically fine, but I feel you're wasting the potential of the pump.

04-17-2004, 10:15 PM	#7
Gantor Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: PA Posts: 11	[quote=bigben2k]It's more than plenty. In fact, you're all set for a TEC upgrade, if you decide to go that route.[/QU not over kill i hope if i did go TEC how many watts with just one of the Heatcores.

04-17-2004, 10:56 PM	#9
AngryAlpaca Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 631	Well, upgrading to a WW will improve your temperatures by 5-6C. Consider that. It might be worth it, it might not be, as I don't know the value of a secondhand 5002.

04-18-2004, 10:23 PM	#15
Gooserider Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North Billerica, MA, USA Posts: 451	Your pump is WAY overkill for the rest of the setup as is. I would suggest going for a WW or a Cascade if you can get it. You also have plenty of capacity to cool anything else in your system that gets warm. In nearly any cooling setup the biggest barrier on improving the cooling is the transfer of heat from the rad to the air. You will transfer the most heat by sucking ambient (room temp) air through the rad, as opposed to putting air through the rad that has already been somewhat warmed by going through the PC case. This would suggest that putting the rad in the top of the case is not the best approach (also this will tend to make the rad catch air) Dual rads in your setup is again overkill, but since you have them, I would say you might as well use them. I would probably make a custom box out of wood or MDF with the two rads at the front, plumbed in parallel, the pump and the res in the center of the box near the bottom, and the fans near the back blowing out. Seal the box except for the fans and the rads so that the box acts like a giant shroud. From the box run two tubes w/ quick disconnects to the system box which would only have the blocks and their plumbing in it. Seal the system box except for the lower front and the PSU which should provide enough airflow to cool the rest of the system. As to plumbing the blocks, I'd put them all in series given your pumps capacity and the blocks you are using. If you went to a multi outlet block like a WW or Cascade, I would consider running everything into the CPU and then splitting the flow through the lesser blocks, using the CPU block as a splitter in effect. I would avoid the bay type res, I've seen lots of reports of them leaking, and that they are a pain to fill. If you go with the custom rad box like I suggested, you'd have lots of room to be creative. I would probably go with something custom built out of fat PVC that hooked directly to the pump inlet, but there are lots of options. Gooserider __________________ Designing system, will have Tyan S2468UGN Dual Athlon MOBO, SCSI HDDS, other goodies. Will run LINUX only. Want to have silent running, minimal fans, and water cooled. Probably not OC'c

04-24-2004, 01:16 AM	#16
Gantor Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: PA Posts: 11	Thanks for custom box out of MDF need to get to work on that will look good to with nice black paint.Thanks a lot just what i need. Pump way overkill. If i get a WW will that balanc things out or should I do the NB cooling and now that I see the mcw6000 how would that be. WOW anything more I can do to work this pump and this is a good pump for this or should I start over if good Y is it overkill that cant be bad or is it good head good name good pump?? Thank again PCV should work but hooked directly to the pump inlet how and with barb or free flow how big for this pump and YES that be the thing to do if I can work it out. Are too Heatcores to much even if you OC. Will one do Is it OK to have it all outside the case on the flloor till I make a box. got to see what it can do first after I rethink this .THANKS THANKS Keep it coming please will take picks when done if ever. Last edited by Gantor; 04-24-2004 at 01:24 AM.

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