Drill press on ebay

KyuZo · 07-07-2004, 03:53 AM

Hey there,

I've been thinking about buying a drill press and came across this on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...311273678&rd=1

Do you think it would be any good for machining a copper block?

There's also this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...825349052&rd=1

It looks very similar but it's a SCHNEIDER brand, the guy selling the first (green) one tells me that the brand is Performance Power. Is it some kind of cheap rip off? Seems suspiciously similar.

Stang_Man · 07-07-2004, 05:59 AM

those are pieces of shit.

the motor will burn out so fast on them, don't be cheap when it comes to tools, cause you get what you pay for

Etacovda · 07-07-2004, 06:17 AM

If you're just using them for copper blocks, then why not. No point in spending ridiculous amounts of money on them if you're not using it for something else. Of course, if you can get better, then do it.

I have the model lower than those (this is a SERIOUS hunk of junk) and ive made over 15 blocks on it already.... drilled a lot of holes, i can tell you.

KyuZo · 07-07-2004, 08:51 AM

I just wanted to experiment a little and try making a few basic blocks so I figured I don't need anything to fancy. I thought I might try a rotor, lumpy channel, and use it to drill holes for tapping threads and stuff like that.

So if they can do those jobs for £20-30 then I'll be delighted. I won't mind so much if it only lasts a few years as I won't of spent much money on it.

bigben2k · 07-07-2004, 09:24 AM

I almost bought one similar to that, locally (a liquidation).

I don't see a problem, as long as you use it to drill straight down only (i.e. no "side drilling" aka sliding the copper piece across). The RPMs were ok, and it had a decent amount of power.

You might consider setting it up with a pump and tray to shoot a lubricant on the piece, as it's drilling. Easy stuff.

Etacovda · 07-07-2004, 10:20 AM

Just make sure your bits are sharp; thats the only real advice i can give

I actually use mine for tapping too; starting the taps, at least.

Put the tap in the press, lower it into the block (buy a drill press clamp, obviously) and turn the belt by hand until it grips. Then remove the press clamp, and tap. Makes for perfectly straight taps every time.
Of course, you probably know this, but on the off chance you dont, hopefully its helpful.

Stang_Man · 07-07-2004, 03:49 PM

maybe because cost is an issue with you guys, i don't know, but buying a drill press and using it to mill is pointless.

1. drill presses only have a set amount of speeds, commonly 1, sometimes 2, rarely more than that.

2. drill presses do not have strong motors, 1/4 or 1/3 hp motor is most common.

when milling metal, you need a strong motor 1-2 hp is sufficient, 3hp is ideal. milling using a 1/4 hp drill press is just asking to burn that motor out, no matter how slow you go. you also need to mill different materials at different speeds, you can't mill steel, aluminum, copper, etc all at the same rpms.

but one thing i like about drill presses with milling tables, it's VERY COOL idea in my opinion, because you can clamp whatever you need in the table and drill holes along a straight path and such which is sweet.

ah, screw it. who the hell am i kidding. if i didn't have access or money, i'd do the same shit.

Etacovda · 07-08-2004, 01:50 AM

The blocks he speaks of dont use any 'milling' action; the sideways cuts are done with a dremel.

Theres no way my press would handle side load; it would die very quickly.

KyuZo · 07-08-2004, 01:58 AM

Basically I'm just a poor student on summer break trying not to let my hobby make me absolutely broke.

I'm studying mechanical engineering next year so hopefully I'll be able to take advantage of some of the facilities of the university rather than buying more expensive equipment.

Your advice on tapping will certainly come in useful Etacovda, and any other tips would be much appreciated.

JamesAvery22 · 07-12-2004, 03:59 PM

Anyone ever gotten a cheap drill press that can handle a good side load for milling off of ebay that worked out well? I too would love to have a milling/drill press machine. Manual of course. But I cant spend thousands of dollars on something from Home Depot =(

jaydee · 07-18-2004, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stang_Man

maybe because cost is an issue with you guys, i don't know, but buying a drill press and using it to mill is pointless.

1. drill presses only have a set amount of speeds, commonly 1, sometimes 2, rarely more than that.

2. drill presses do not have strong motors, 1/4 or 1/3 hp motor is most common.

when milling metal, you need a strong motor 1-2 hp is sufficient, 3hp is ideal. milling using a 1/4 hp drill press is just asking to burn that motor out, no matter how slow you go. you also need to mill different materials at different speeds, you can't mill steel, aluminum, copper, etc all at the same rpms.

but one thing i like about drill presses with milling tables, it's VERY COOL idea in my opinion, because you can clamp whatever you need in the table and drill holes along a straight path and such which is sweet.

ah, screw it. who the hell am i kidding. if i didn't have access or money, i'd do the same shit.

And that shit works. My mill has a little less than 1/2hp and what I have done on it cannot be denied thanks to pH. I also have a cheap drill press similar to the one mentioned and it works well and is 5 speed with a 1/3hp motor. Cost $50 at harbor Frieght. Plenty good to do a few Drilled blocks. Use if often and have no problems at all with it. Remember this is "hobby" work not "production" work. Doing things at fast speed is not required in the hobby world.

jaydee · 07-18-2004, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesAvery22

Anyone ever gotten a cheap drill press that can handle a good side load for milling off of ebay that worked out well? I too would love to have a milling/drill press machine. Manual of course. But I cant spend thousands of dollars on something from Home Depot =(

There are mill/drill machines such as http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G0517

bigben2k · 07-18-2004, 10:35 PM

I don't know why no one ever mentionned it, but...

There was an old regular here that once showed us a piece that he made, and how he built it was by milling a channel with some kind of drill press.

The trick is that he milled the channel at an angle, which reduces the side load on the mill. As I remember, he had a press that could actually handle a side load though.

It'd be limiting, but has anyone considered that?

jaydee · 07-18-2004, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigben2k

I don't know why no one ever mentionned it, but...

There was an old regular here that once showed us a piece that he made, and how he built it was by milling a channel with some kind of drill press.

The trick is that he milled the channel at an angle, which reduces the side load on the mill. As I remember, he had a press that could actually handle a side load though.

It'd be limiting, but has anyone considered that?

Not sure about that but it is possible to make a Maze 4 style block with hole saws and a dremel.

RedPhoenix · 08-11-2004, 01:49 PM

Looking for a CHEAP machine to do some basic blocks. would something like this work?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...832917584&rd=1

07-07-2004, 03:53 AM	#1
KyuZo Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 19	Drill press on ebay Hey there, I've been thinking about buying a drill press and came across this on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...311273678&rd=1 Do you think it would be any good for machining a copper block? There's also this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...825349052&rd=1 It looks very similar but it's a SCHNEIDER brand, the guy selling the first (green) one tells me that the brand is Performance Power. Is it some kind of cheap rip off? Seems suspiciously similar.

07-07-2004, 08:51 AM	#4
KyuZo Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 19	I just wanted to experiment a little and try making a few basic blocks so I figured I don't need anything to fancy. I thought I might try a rotor, lumpy channel, and use it to drill holes for tapping threads and stuff like that. So if they can do those jobs for £20-30 then I'll be delighted. I won't mind so much if it only lasts a few years as I won't of spent much money on it. Last edited by KyuZo; 07-07-2004 at 08:52 AM. Reason: typos

07-07-2004, 09:24 AM	#5
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I almost bought one similar to that, locally (a liquidation). I don't see a problem, as long as you use it to drill straight down only (i.e. no "side drilling" aka sliding the copper piece across). The RPMs were ok, and it had a decent amount of power. You might consider setting it up with a pump and tray to shoot a lubricant on the piece, as it's drilling. Easy stuff. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-18-2004, 10:35 PM	#13
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I don't know why no one ever mentionned it, but... There was an old regular here that once showed us a piece that he made, and how he built it was by milling a channel with some kind of drill press. The trick is that he milled the channel at an angle, which reduces the side load on the mill. As I remember, he had a press that could actually handle a side load though. It'd be limiting, but has anyone considered that? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

08-11-2004, 01:49 PM	#15
RedPhoenix Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 266	Looking for a CHEAP machine to do some basic blocks. would something like this work? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...832917584&rd=1 __________________ rawr www.mysoarer.com

07-07-2004, 05:59 AM	#2
Stang_Man Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Plainville, CT Posts: 79	those are pieces of shit. the motor will burn out so fast on them, don't be cheap when it comes to tools, cause you get what you pay for

07-07-2004, 06:17 AM	#3
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	If you're just using them for copper blocks, then why not. No point in spending ridiculous amounts of money on them if you're not using it for something else. Of course, if you can get better, then do it. I have the model lower than those (this is a SERIOUS hunk of junk) and ive made over 15 blocks on it already.... drilled a lot of holes, i can tell you.

07-07-2004, 10:20 AM	#6
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	Just make sure your bits are sharp; thats the only real advice i can give I actually use mine for tapping too; starting the taps, at least. Put the tap in the press, lower it into the block (buy a drill press clamp, obviously) and turn the belt by hand until it grips. Then remove the press clamp, and tap. Makes for perfectly straight taps every time. Of course, you probably know this, but on the off chance you dont, hopefully its helpful.

07-07-2004, 03:49 PM	#7
Stang_Man Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Plainville, CT Posts: 79	maybe because cost is an issue with you guys, i don't know, but buying a drill press and using it to mill is pointless. 1. drill presses only have a set amount of speeds, commonly 1, sometimes 2, rarely more than that. 2. drill presses do not have strong motors, 1/4 or 1/3 hp motor is most common. when milling metal, you need a strong motor 1-2 hp is sufficient, 3hp is ideal. milling using a 1/4 hp drill press is just asking to burn that motor out, no matter how slow you go. you also need to mill different materials at different speeds, you can't mill steel, aluminum, copper, etc all at the same rpms. but one thing i like about drill presses with milling tables, it's VERY COOL idea in my opinion, because you can clamp whatever you need in the table and drill holes along a straight path and such which is sweet. ah, screw it. who the hell am i kidding. if i didn't have access or money, i'd do the same shit.

07-08-2004, 01:50 AM	#8
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	The blocks he speaks of dont use any 'milling' action; the sideways cuts are done with a dremel. Theres no way my press would handle side load; it would die very quickly.

07-08-2004, 01:58 AM	#9
KyuZo Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 19	Basically I'm just a poor student on summer break trying not to let my hobby make me absolutely broke. I'm studying mechanical engineering next year so hopefully I'll be able to take advantage of some of the facilities of the university rather than buying more expensive equipment. Your advice on tapping will certainly come in useful Etacovda, and any other tips would be much appreciated.

07-12-2004, 03:59 PM	#10
JamesAvery22 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 383	Anyone ever gotten a cheap drill press that can handle a good side load for milling off of ebay that worked out well? I too would love to have a milling/drill press machine. Manual of course. But I cant spend thousands of dollars on something from Home Depot =(

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