Swifty Pelt Questions

moosturdsoed25 · 10-19-2004, 07:29 PM

This one is sort of for BillA, but will there be an upgrade to the TEC CPU cooler in the swifty line? I was thinking about TECs, but thought the MCW500x was too outdated. Is this going to be the deluxe TEC CPU cooler for swiftech for a long time, or wil it be upgraded to the MCW600x standard?

DDogg · 10-19-2004, 08:22 PM

And somewhat along the lines as the original question, has Swiftect ever experimented with 2 of the 6002s with a TEC in between as a fluid to fluid chiller exchanger kind of thing? If so, I would be curious to know if the temp drop (if any) was only a few degrees, or a little more substantial like 5-8.

scooterfl · 10-19-2004, 08:30 PM

moosturd: IIRC the mcw600x line was not designed for tecs so a new design likely needed..time will tell

DDogg: this review might me interesting if you havent read it already http://www.procooling.com/reviews/ht...52_review_.php

killernoodle · 10-19-2004, 08:47 PM

I think the 6002 doesnt have a drillable baseplate to attach a coldplate to, which is why it is not adaptable for tecs.

DDogg · 10-20-2004, 07:38 AM

scooterfl, yep, I saw that. It seems more a super cooler. I wonder how much a variation, using one pelt between the two WBs would cool. From reading it seems that type of use was discarded because it didn't cool enough for the extreme use folks were looking for, but I'm personally only looking for 5-10 C that would be compact enough to put in an self contained additional small external rad box that would be spliced into my existing water circuit.

Cathar · 10-20-2004, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DDogg

scooterfl, yep, I saw that. It seems more a super cooler. I wonder how much a variation, using one pelt between the two WBs would cool. From reading it seems that type of use was discarded because it didn't cool enough for the extreme use folks were looking for, but I'm personally only looking for 5-10 C that would be compact enough to put in an self contained additional small external rad box that would be spliced into my existing water circuit.

Am making a last ditch attempt at a TEC based water-chiller. Mostly designed in mind to keep water at around 5C or so below ambient. I have no idea yet on how successful it will be, but it takes 2 by 50x50mm TEC's, and is 5"x3"x2" in size. Estimate first prototype completed within 2 weeks.

Swiftech themselves do already offer a water-chiller device here:

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCWCHILL-452.asp

...but it appears to be discontinued.

BillA · 10-20-2004, 11:57 AM

??
why discontinued ? still on the site ?

m25
1) we do not discuss products in development
2) TEC devices have a huge amount of engn time, many pieces (the insulation), and low sales
they exist because Gabe likes them

psychofunk · 10-20-2004, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cathar

Am making a last ditch attempt at a TEC based water-chiller. Mostly designed in mind to keep water at around 5C or so below ambient. I have no idea yet on how successful it will be, but it takes 2 by 50x50mm TEC's, and is 5"x3"x2" in size. Estimate first prototype completed within 2 weeks.

Swiftech themselves do already offer a water-chiller device here:

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCWCHILL-452.asp

...but it appears to be discontinued.

Cathar when done would you please be so kind as to post any info and pics you have. I would be very interested in seeing this. Thanks. Oh yeah and is this project in pursuit of quiet just ultimate cooling?

Cathar · 10-20-2004, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by unregistered

??
why discontinued ? still on the site ?

Bill, it appears in the "Discontinued Products" sections of Swiftech's product page.

Cathar · 10-20-2004, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by psychofunk

Cathar when done would you please be so kind as to post any info and pics you have. I would be very interested in seeing this. Thanks. Oh yeah and is this project in pursuit of quiet just ultimate cooling?

I'll fire up a new thread when I get the prototype. Basically this is make or break for me with respect to TEC's and water-chilling. If this doesn't show early promise then I'm giving up on them completely.

Jag · 10-20-2004, 04:58 PM

Cathar,

The mcwchill-452, appears both in the discontinued products and in the commercialy available Thermoelectric products menu.
??

Cathar · 10-20-2004, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jag

Cathar,

The mcwchill-452, appears both in the discontinued products and in the commercialy available Thermoelectric products menu.
??

Yeah - I wasn't sure what took preference, hence the discontinued comment. Given that a product would typically progress to being listed as being "discontinued" after being commonly available, and not the other way around, I had guessed that the product was now discontinued or about to be.

DDogg · 10-20-2004, 10:23 PM

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Am making a last ditch attempt at a TEC based water-chiller. Mostly designed in mind to keep water at around 5C or so below ambient. <snip>

Cathar, that is exciting news. Not to be too much of a toad, but I expect you will be able to give a definitive yay or nay. I'm really looking forward to your results, even if negative, so as to get the damn thing out of my mind.

BTW, I did a ground-loop today as a quick fix for my sub-ambient search. Put some pics in this thread.

Not giving up on a demand oriented TEC. My reasoning for busting my 50+ year old back on the ground-loop was it would seem to be a natural to sink the TEC heat out of the house if I ever did it. Seems like it might handle a fair amount of wattage, but I don't know how to calc it exactly.

Good luck on the research, I read that sticky thread when you were messing with it before and it sounded like it was a little frustrating.

Cathar · 10-21-2004, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DDogg

Cathar, that is exciting news. Not to be too much of a toad, but I expect you will be able to give a definitive yay or nay. I'm really looking forward to your results, even if negative, so as to get the damn thing out of my mind.

I've gave the machinists the plans today, and sweetened the deal slightly with the currency of industry: beer.

They're fairly fascinated with the whole TEC thing after I explained it to them, being what they are, how they work, and roughly what they can and can't do. So they're making up the chiller device (which incidentally will weigh about 700g or about 1.5lbs fully assembled), and I'll bring in a small esky (cooler box) with a 6-pack of room-temperature beer, my lab bench PSU, the two TEC's, two 12v pumps, some tubing and a shrouded radiator with fans. Will stick the beers in the esky, add in about 3 litres of water (just enough to mostly submerse the beers in water), and use the esky as the reservoir for the cold-side loop, and plumb up the hot-side loop through the radiator, and see what can be achieved. The challenge is to achieve ice-cold beers in 30 minutes as a measure of success.

If it works, we'll celebrate over a cold beer.

If it doesn't, the beers go into the fridge for another day and we all go home disappointed.

cougem · 10-21-2004, 04:29 AM

What beer? I know you Aussies don't really drink Foster's, I'm not that ignorant.

Beck's all the way.

Cathar · 10-21-2004, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cougem

What beer? I know you Aussies don't really drink Foster's, I'm not that ignorant.

Beck's all the way.

James Boag's Premium for myself. The machinists seem to like Toohey's Red, but I might see if I can bring them over the Boag's point of view...

BillA · 10-21-2004, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cathar

Bill, it appears in the "Discontinued Products" sections of Swiftech's product page.

yea, I found that out
to Gabe that did not (also) mean not available
??

thanks for the heads up, will move

trans am · 11-29-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by killernoodle

I think the 6002 doesnt have a drillable baseplate to attach a coldplate to, which is why it is not adaptable for tecs.

What? I was thinking of going tec with my existing 6002-64. Is coldplate necessary? I thought I could just put the cold side of the pelt on the cpu heatspreader and have the 6002 block on the otherside of the pelt pushing it all down like a sandwich. Sorry for newb questions but I really don't know too much about tec. heres my thread: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&highlight=tec

jaydee · 11-29-2004, 09:47 PM

Swiftech just announced this TEC setup: http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCW5002-775T.asp

trans am: Cold plate needed to be effective.

trans am · 11-29-2004, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee116

Swiftech just announced this TEC setup: http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCW5002-775T.asp

trans am: Cold plate needed to be effective.

could i just put this between the cpu and the tec? will it hold once I screw down the 6002?
http://www.crazypc.com/Merchant2/mer...duct_Code=5915

jaydee · 11-29-2004, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by trans am

could i just put this between the cpu and the tec? will it hold once I screw down the 6002?
http://www.crazypc.com/Merchant2/mer...duct_Code=5915

It will hold, but thats not what is needed for a proper working TEC setup.

Also that site you linked is still selling the CPUFX Z4 water block that says it has a one year manufacture warranty. Well CPUFX has been out of business for a couple years now....

http://www.crazypc.com/Merchant2/mer...duct_Code=9305

Becarefull who sells you stuff as some people don't care if you fry your stuff due to ignorance.

BillA · 11-30-2004, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trans am

What? I was thinking of going tec with my existing 6002-64. Is coldplate necessary? I thought I could just put the cold side of the pelt on the cpu heatspreader and have the 6002 block on the otherside of the pelt pushing it all down like a sandwich. Sorry for newb questions but I really don't know too much about tec. heres my thread: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&highlight=tec

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcw5002-64T.asp

pHaestus · 11-30-2004, 12:16 PM

I contemplated making a TEC chiller similar to the MCWCHILL-452 but using xjinn's "many parallel channels drilled through copper" design as the cold side block and then traditional wbs on the hot sides. Seems like a reasonable way to make use of the heat capacity of the copper provided you can do lots of small diameter holes. Maybe silver plus EDM would be better than copper and drilling? Something big enough to fit 4-8 TECS onto would be good because you could run them at low voltage for improved efficiency...

BillA · 11-30-2004, 01:09 PM

the EDM bill will be in the thousands, small holes in copper are a bear
actually easier to drill for a one-off
8 TECs ? as in 60x240mm ? (even 50x200mm); one whole hellavalot of holes !!
probably easier to run multiple Chill units in parallel (not too cheap though)

10-19-2004, 07:29 PM	#1
moosturdsoed25 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Andover, MA, USA Posts: 14	Swifty Pelt Questions This one is sort of for BillA, but will there be an upgrade to the TEC CPU cooler in the swifty line? I was thinking about TECs, but thought the MCW500x was too outdated. Is this going to be the deluxe TEC CPU cooler for swiftech for a long time, or wil it be upgraded to the MCW600x standard?

10-19-2004, 08:30 PM	#3
scooterfl Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: FL Posts: 83	moosturd: IIRC the mcw600x line was not designed for tecs so a new design likely needed..time will tell DDogg: this review might me interesting if you havent read it already http://www.procooling.com/reviews/ht...52_review_.php __________________

10-19-2004, 08:47 PM	#4
killernoodle Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,014	I think the 6002 doesnt have a drillable baseplate to attach a coldplate to, which is why it is not adaptable for tecs. __________________ I have a nice computer.

10-21-2004, 04:29 AM	#15
cougem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cambridge Uni Posts: 176	What beer? I know you Aussies don't really drink Foster's, I'm not that ignorant. Beck's all the way. __________________ www.ENDGAME.info - Because you know it rocks

10-19-2004, 08:22 PM	#2
DDogg Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 60	And somewhat along the lines as the original question, has Swiftect ever experimented with 2 of the 6002s with a TEC in between as a fluid to fluid chiller exchanger kind of thing? If so, I would be curious to know if the temp drop (if any) was only a few degrees, or a little more substantial like 5-8.

10-20-2004, 07:38 AM	#5
DDogg Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 60	scooterfl, yep, I saw that. It seems more a super cooler. I wonder how much a variation, using one pelt between the two WBs would cool. From reading it seems that type of use was discarded because it didn't cool enough for the extreme use folks were looking for, but I'm personally only looking for 5-10 C that would be compact enough to put in an self contained additional small external rad box that would be spliced into my existing water circuit.

10-20-2004, 11:57 AM	#7
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	?? why discontinued ? still on the site ? m25 1) we do not discuss products in development 2) TEC devices have a huge amount of engn time, many pieces (the insulation), and low sales they exist because Gabe likes them

10-20-2004, 04:58 PM	#11
Jag Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 179	Cathar, The mcwchill-452, appears both in the discontinued products and in the commercialy available Thermoelectric products menu. ??

11-29-2004, 09:47 PM	#19
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Swiftech just announced this TEC setup: http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCW5002-775T.asp trans am: Cold plate needed to be effective.

11-30-2004, 12:16 PM	#23
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	I contemplated making a TEC chiller similar to the MCWCHILL-452 but using xjinn's "many parallel channels drilled through copper" design as the cold side block and then traditional wbs on the hot sides. Seems like a reasonable way to make use of the heat capacity of the copper provided you can do lots of small diameter holes. Maybe silver plus EDM would be better than copper and drilling? Something big enough to fit 4-8 TECS onto would be good because you could run them at low voltage for improved efficiency...

11-30-2004, 01:09 PM	#24
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	the EDM bill will be in the thousands, small holes in copper are a bear actually easier to drill for a one-off 8 TECs ? as in 60x240mm ? (even 50x200mm); one whole hellavalot of holes !! probably easier to run multiple Chill units in parallel (not too cheap though)

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