Something I've been thinking about making...

pHaestus · 05-06-2005, 01:42 PM

I think the pieces are all in place (with a little modification) for a really cool self-contained add on wcing kit. Think about the combination of 1 pass 120mm fan radiators, an DDC/MCP350 pump or the little C-Systems unit, and the Swiftech MCR120 radbox kit and passthrough. Now put them all in a blender and make them into one unit:

Make a fillpoint on the top tank of the rad. Use the rad as the reservoir/fill point.

Use a modification of the MCP350 that puts an inlet at 90 degrees from the pump (I know I've seen people do this on forums and maybe even some German mfgr sells pumps like this? Couple pump inlet to bottom of the radiator tank. Now you just bolt the radiator box to the case, connect tubing through a PCI-slot to the wbs inside and connect power to the pump and the 120mm exhaust fan. You have a cooling kit that'll fit on any system, could be molded as a single unit, would cool well, and should never have issues with air in the radiator or pump running dry or anything like that. Am I missing something here?

The only things that leap to mind are: (a) Making sure proper size for bottom tank to get pump necessary liquid (b) Making sure proper size/geom for top tank to fill it (c) some practical considerations such as do you make custom rads with tanks of metal, or do you make the tanks of molded plastic and mate them to the rads somehow? Molding presents some pretty clear advantages (the point to observe water level would be easy then, you could mold the return line for the top tank etc etc) but it would be expensive.

Am I totally off base here, or would this be a really nice way to wc sff systems and compete nicely with Koolance-style boxes?

Delirious · 05-06-2005, 02:03 PM

If it was cheaper than the koolance and mounted insided the case with no modification it would sure give them a run for thier money imo.

jaydee · 05-06-2005, 06:14 PM

I don't think it would be all that difficult to design. Hard part would be getting the parts made. Might even consider mounting it to the top of the case with a cover over it all with a water temp LCD or something. Lots of possibilites.

DryFire · 05-06-2005, 08:23 PM

I think it's a great idea. Any reason why you couldn't bolt up the 350 and res combo to the top of an sff and stick a rad beside it and rout teh tubng either through the roof or the pci slots?

Perhaps add an esternal covering of some sort.

jaydee · 05-06-2005, 08:40 PM

I think you would want the pump at the bottom for priming. And if a leak accured above the pump the pump should still be in the water and not kill it?

black_dante · 05-06-2005, 09:50 PM

hmmm.. then we could ice it out wit da diamond encrusted option because you know diamonds have best thermal qualities and da gold plated bullet-proof block, you know, in case you have your pc with you while ur regulatin da hoes wit da AK.

no seriously, i think with some (good) acoustic dampening material, it would be sweet. the only problem would be (as mentioned) the custom parts. they should definitely make a modified 350 tho with the straight inlet

hey, swiftech is goin public, you never know. they might be like the next google or microsoft.

kaotic504 · 05-07-2005, 06:10 PM

i've been thinking about this for a while now b/c i want something external for my shuttle and smaller than it. the only thing i haven't figured out is the flow. i thought it would kill the flow with the amount of 90degree bends you would have to make it get it to work.

RVWinkle · 05-08-2005, 11:20 PM

Makes me think of the Sanyo Denki unit that Intel comissioned except your design is more enthusiast oriented.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041015/index.html

05-06-2005, 01:42 PM	#1
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Something I've been thinking about making... I think the pieces are all in place (with a little modification) for a really cool self-contained add on wcing kit. Think about the combination of 1 pass 120mm fan radiators, an DDC/MCP350 pump or the little C-Systems unit, and the Swiftech MCR120 radbox kit and passthrough. Now put them all in a blender and make them into one unit: Make a fillpoint on the top tank of the rad. Use the rad as the reservoir/fill point. Use a modification of the MCP350 that puts an inlet at 90 degrees from the pump (I know I've seen people do this on forums and maybe even some German mfgr sells pumps like this? Couple pump inlet to bottom of the radiator tank. Now you just bolt the radiator box to the case, connect tubing through a PCI-slot to the wbs inside and connect power to the pump and the 120mm exhaust fan. You have a cooling kit that'll fit on any system, could be molded as a single unit, would cool well, and should never have issues with air in the radiator or pump running dry or anything like that. Am I missing something here? The only things that leap to mind are: (a) Making sure proper size for bottom tank to get pump necessary liquid (b) Making sure proper size/geom for top tank to fill it (c) some practical considerations such as do you make custom rads with tanks of metal, or do you make the tanks of molded plastic and mate them to the rads somehow? Molding presents some pretty clear advantages (the point to observe water level would be easy then, you could mold the return line for the top tank etc etc) but it would be expensive. Am I totally off base here, or would this be a really nice way to wc sff systems and compete nicely with Koolance-style boxes? __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

05-06-2005, 02:03 PM	#2
Delirious Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Twilight Zone Posts: 152	If it was cheaper than the koolance and mounted insided the case with no modification it would sure give them a run for thier money imo.

05-06-2005, 06:14 PM	#3
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I don't think it would be all that difficult to design. Hard part would be getting the parts made. Might even consider mounting it to the top of the case with a cover over it all with a water temp LCD or something. Lots of possibilites.

05-06-2005, 08:23 PM	#4
DryFire Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 148	I think it's a great idea. Any reason why you couldn't bolt up the 350 and res combo to the top of an sff and stick a rad beside it and rout teh tubng either through the roof or the pci slots? Perhaps add an esternal covering of some sort.

05-06-2005, 08:40 PM	#5
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I think you would want the pump at the bottom for priming. And if a leak accured above the pump the pump should still be in the water and not kill it?

05-06-2005, 09:50 PM	#6
black_dante Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nyc Posts: 48	hmmm.. then we could ice it out wit da diamond encrusted option because you know diamonds have best thermal qualities and da gold plated bullet-proof block, you know, in case you have your pc with you while ur regulatin da hoes wit da AK. no seriously, i think with some (good) acoustic dampening material, it would be sweet. the only problem would be (as mentioned) the custom parts. they should definitely make a modified 350 tho with the straight inlet hey, swiftech is goin public, you never know. they might be like the next google or microsoft.

05-07-2005, 06:10 PM	#7
kaotic504 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Orleans Posts: 86	i've been thinking about this for a while now b/c i want something external for my shuttle and smaller than it. the only thing i haven't figured out is the flow. i thought it would kill the flow with the amount of 90degree bends you would have to make it get it to work.

05-08-2005, 11:20 PM	#8
RVWinkle Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Richmond Posts: 13	Makes me think of the Sanyo Denki unit that Intel comissioned except your design is more enthusiast oriented. http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041015/index.html

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