gigabit nics

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I just got a hawkingtech 8 port gigaswitch and now i need a giganic, any users of giganic here, good ,bad or differant?

[Lonely Raven]

And your using this bandwith for what?

I am VERY curious?

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i've got a small home network and we often have lan games, my server for the house serves or will all mp3 and video, all so web and ftp. theres 7 systems on the lan now and when theres a party 10+. plus i just wanted 1000 mps i ordered a dlink for $46 if it dont work i'll upgrade

[phreenet]

Good Score dude. Is it Fiber or Copper media? You can't beat Netgear for their price/performance, and since you are using it for home networking, I would use Netgear myself, Netgear GA622T for copper connection and Netgear GA621 for Fiber. Keep inmind though that as you use gigabit you are really pumping alot of data, 1,480,000 Packets Per Second max. That requires a computer with some balls, these cards will work with 32-Bit PCI slots, but 64 is definitly recomended. Also you start to notice your hard drive becoming a bottle neck if you are tring to move data and do other things at the same time. Also these cards will work with CAT 5e but I would recommend some High Quality CAT 6 or even CAT 6e to maintain that signal quality, Hitatchi makes great cable.

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i'm get 2 new mobos for me and the ol'lady "soyo dragon"and was planing on useing one of my old kt7 raids for a server. but i do have the "ok" to buy a new board if i need to,Q: will the raid inprove through put? or shoud i get something with ata 133?
ps: can ya tell we got our tax returns, hehe

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got it up and running :kt7 raid,2 -ata100 seagate 7200 rpm 40 gig hard drives running on raid 0, 850 duron @1 gig, 512 mb of pc133,and the dlink 500tx giganic. we've got pings of 0 and 3 in unreal tournament on the lan with 6 systems" it kicks ass"

[BaconGrease]

intel 1000 for $33
not a bad price, unfortunately limit one.

[ivan2740]

Just wondering, but what do you mean by Fiber or Copper media?

[jtroutma]

Copper medium is the same as CAT6 cable - copper wires.

Fiber is for fiber optic cables - strands of glass to transport flashes of light.

Fiber is excellent for high speeds, very low susceptability to interferance, and just rocks. Only down side - VERY expensive.
Better used for LONG cable runs - upwards of 10 or more miles.

[ivan2740]

So does cat6 have the same interface as cat5, and can therefor be used in a normal 100mbps network? If so, it wouldn't yield any real benefits for a 10/100 network would it??

*edit* Also, wouldn't fiber optic be a little impractical? I didn't even know it connected to lan's hehe... Well I mean I read about it in networking classes but I never heard of it being used in real life=p

[DragonsDream]

Yes, the connectors for CAT6, CAT5e and CAT5 are all RJ45, wired out the same, but each are designed to handle a higher bandwidth. CAT5e and CAT6 are designed for 10/100/1000 and CAT5 is designed for 10/100, tho I didn't have a problem running 1000 over a 20ft CAT5 run. If you can get 5e or even better 6, use them for your 1000mb connections.

As for your comment on Fiber. Fiber is used for any Backbone (Running from one Distrubtion Site to Another) over 300ft. (Data Length Limit of Cat5/6) and for companys that are worried about secuirty or that want a cable that will not have a bandwidth limit, so they can upgrade easier as faster hardware comes out. Fiber is also used alot in outdoor cabling. There is alot of other places that fiber gets used.

[ivan2740]

Hmm I was looking up fiber optic but I couldnt find out how it connects, can you just remove the end of a fiber optic(MT or etc) and attach a RJ compatible end?

[DragonsDream]

The 3 main connects for Fiber are ST, SC and MTRJ, non of them will plug into your Copper NIC. You have to have either a Fiber NIC, or use a Media Converter to Convert the Fiber to Copper.

AMP's WebSite


That link will show you pictures of all the differt things for Fiber. If a home user wanted to run Fiber I'd recommend just using Fiber Patch Cables that already have the connectors on them. But not many end users will shell out the $$$ for media converters or Fiber NICS. You have to have specail tools to put ends on Fiber, isn't as easy as doing Copper Cable. They also make special switches for Fiber and other eletronics.

Smart Homes (Houses pre-cabled for Networking) we have actual started installing Fiber in them, tho non of the home owners I know of are actual using them. They are for future things like cable over fiber, but I dont see that technology comming around for another 10 years.

[ivan2740]

Ah cool thanks for the info I think I'll stick with copper, it seems to be much easier and, more importantly, in my price range.

[ivan2740]

Ah just thought of another question: If I where to use cat6 for a lan, or a gigabit lan card for that matter (with a gigabit hub too) would it be bottlenecked because of a 100mb user?

[DragonsDream]

I think I'm answering this right. Yes there would be a bottleneck going on between the two connection speeds. But the gigabit system would have bandwidth left over to talk with your other PCs or connections. In a case where you only have two Computers you won't see a diffence than what you hand before running both systems at 100mb, expect that your GB system would be able to download off the Internet and talk to the other PC with out slowing down.


As for CAT6, CAT6 won't make your 100mb connections run any faster. The diffence between your CAT cables are how they twist each pair. The twist helps prevert cross talk on each pair, allow the cable to handle a higher Hz. What would happen is if you were to run Gigabit out on normal CAT5 to the max of 300feet, the level of noise on the wire would be so great the the packets would never make it to where they were going.

[utabintarbo]

Originally posted by ivan2740
Ah just thought of another question: If I where to use cat6 for a lan, or a gigabit lan card for that matter (with a gigabit hub too) would it be bottlenecked because of a 100mb user?

If you use a switch (as opposed to a hub), any one user will not bottleneck (cause the system to run at a lower bandwidth). That is, if you have 2 users running at 1Gbit thru a switch, plugging a 100Mbit user into that switch will not affect throughput btwn the 2 users @ 1Gbit. Theoretically, anyway.

Bob

[ivan2740]

Ok cool.. I think the motherboard im getting comes with gigabit ethernet and all my friends are upgrading so we'll see what we can swing

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The reason I got the giga switch and nic is if ur server is kicking out 100 mbps and u have 8 systems hooked to the switch @ 100 mbps then the demand on the server can be upto 800 mbit and u just cant push 800 mbps through 100 mbps, so with 1000 mbps going into the switch from the server I have 200 mbps to spare and everyone can have a full 100 mbps. now about fiber, I have cat5e run to the guy next door "he rents bandwidth from me" and I'm puttting in fiber do to the fact lightin loves copper wires!!! DO NOT use copper out side, I live in South FL and I took a direct hit once , it fryed : 1 router $400, 1 mobo $145, 1 dsl modem $125 and 2 100 mbps nics $40, Thank god I was able to warranty most of it.

[utabintarbo]

Originally posted by ivan2740
Ok cool.. I think the motherboard im getting comes with gigabit ethernet and all my friends are upgrading so we'll see what we can swing

Let me know if you can find an inexpensive gigabit switch!

[imagex]

I found my hawking tech gig switch on ebay about a year ago for about $75

[jtroutma]

How many ports and how well does it work?

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It's a gs108T 9 port -8 100mbps and 1 1000mbps, works alot better than there router. lol BTW nexland and tzo are working on a setup that will let u bind both of ur wan's into 1 IP/domain giveing u truly twice the speed up and down "on a nexland pro800 turbo" How's ur nexland running?

[DragonsDream]

I just read about the Nexland Pro800turbo

That Router dose IP load-balancing, not Connection binding. There is a very important difference between the two and the manufactures are being misleading about it.

Connection binding hasn't really been used since Dial-Up modem days and required your ISP to support it. (Most did not) Let’s say you have two 1mb connections. Your ISP would assign the same IP to both connections. When you would make a connection out to the Internet (say to download a file) the packets of data would be cut in half and sent down each modem. It would be reassembled by the ISP and sent out to the net. The same would happen when data was sent back to you. This gives you a “True” 2mb connection because both modems are actually working on that one connection out to the Internet.

With load-balancing each connection is assigned its own IP address. (You can use two different ISP also.) When you make a connection out to the internet to download a file (not using DAP or any other program like it, which actually makes multiple connections) that connection is assigned to your first modem. All data going and coming from that connection will only be sent down that one modem. When you make a second connection to download a file, that connection is then assigned to your second modem and all data only goes down that modem. No one connection can go past 1mb because its data is really only going down that one modem. So you don’t truly have a 2mb connection you just have two 1mb connections.

The same is true with Dual Processor Computers. Having two 1 GHz processors doesn’t mean you have a 2 GHz system. It means you are able to process two “different” sets of instructions at 1 GHz.

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You are very right thats what the pro800 turbo does, But This is a new service that I am getting ready to beta test for nexland and I am told that with this service Tzo.com along with a frimware update for the router will "bind" both IP's here's a link to more info: http://www.tzo.com/MainPagePartners/NexlandTurbo.html
I've been working on tring to get two PPoE contions bound for some time and have worked with many companys on the matter, Untill now you had to have your ISP bind them at there end, so this is truly a breakthrough. I know this do to the fact I am a nexland dealer.